Chinese imperialism and future Australian sovereignty

[Morrigu]

[stui magpie]

Poor people have access to a resource, other people who have cash and no scruples are willing to pay for that resource. Supply and demand, which part do you try to stop? It's like the drug trade.

[Morrigu]

^ I know - without a market it ends that is the bottom line - as has been said by many “ tis only when the value of an animal is greater alive than dead” will the trade and cruelty end. Organised crime drives it now - big bucks involved like the drug trade but these are sentient creatures many of whom species will be extinct without serious action and China and Chinese living in many countries including USA and Australia are the major end market they need to change!!

Like human trafficking which is as abhorrent but less likely to result in extinction.

I don’t like this world much

[Jezza]

Some new developments concerning China.

China to impose 80 per cent tariff on Australian barley

China will impose an 80 per cent tariff on Australian barley imports from tomorrow, claiming the product has been illegally dumped into the Chinese market against trade rules.

The import tax will remain in place for five years, according to a statement from China's Ministry of Commerce.

More to come.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-18/ ... y/12261108


Chinese President Xi Jinping backs WHO-led investigation into global response to coronavirus

China will support a "comprehensive review" led by the World Health Organisation into the coronavirus pandemic response after the virus is brought under control, Chinese President Xi Jinping has said.

Mr Xi told the World Health Assembly in Geneva that China had been open and transparent about the coronavirus outbreak which started in Hubei province in late 2019, and said his country would support an investigation "conducted in an objective and impartial way".

China will also provide $US2 billion ($3.09b) over two years towards helping with the COVID-19 response and Mr Xi promised any vaccine developed by his country would be made a global public good.

Mr Xi did not indicate whether China would vote for a joint resolution by Australia and other countries calling for an independent inquiry into the origins of the coronavirus pandemic, which is expected to happen later on Monday.

He described the pandemic as the "most serious global public health emergency" since World War II and defended his country's handling of the crisis, which has come under fierce criticism from the United States and President Donald Trump.

"We have turned the tide on the virus".

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-18/ ... n/12260690

[Pi]

The glorious progressive communist party continues to be a beacon of hope to those looking for an organ transplant.

https://www.healtheuropa.eu/im-going-to ... nor/97063/

https://www.chinaorganharvest.org/

They have said they no longer do voluntary compulsory organ donation,

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... study-says

Chinese state officials, on the back of the promised reforms, have been admitted onto the World Health Organization’s transplantation task force, and Chinese surgeons now regularly present at medical conferences and publish in international journals.

Trusted by the W.H.O, must be all good now right? its not like they tell lies about this sort of thing or anything else do they.

[Morrigu]

China legislators take on wildlife trade, skip traditional medicine

Shanghai: As China's parliament prepares new laws to ban the trade and consumption of wildlife, local action plans published this week suggest the country's fur trade and lucrative traditional medicine sectors will continue as usual.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.the ... 54v5s.html

Pfft what a pathetic nothing - the WHO have enabled this through their endorsement of non-evidence based TCM - pathetic !! I hope the bad orange man sticks to his guns and defunds them!!

Amidst the coronavirus pandemic and heightened global tensions, China makes its move on Hong Kong
With the world focused on a pandemic that started in China, now is the moment chosen by the Chinese leadership to introduce a security law.[/b]

Pro-democracy activists in Hong Kong fear it could be the death of their beloved territory.

Dennis Kwok is a Civic Party politician and warned that if the law comes into force "one country, two systems will officially be erased. This is the end of Hong Kong".

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.abc ... e/12275496

Seriously #****

[Pies4shaw]

The WHO hasn’t “enabled” anything. It has been rendered diplomatically incapable of forcing China to do anything by Trump’s attacks. China is thumbing it’s nose because the WHO doesn’t come backed by the US.

International Law 101 - an international organisation that is not the Security Council has no coercive power. All such institutions depend for their efficacy on the nations of the world taking notice of them. Nations will take notice of internal organisations because they think it is in their interest to do so. One of the reasons nations think taking notice of a organisation is in their interest is that major international powers back the organisation. No backing, no clout.

The Chinese policy is one I despise. It is, however, only made possible by US indifference. If the US withdrew support from the WHO to take a strong bilateral stand with sanctions, that might achieve a useful result. But this isn’t about getting results. It is about apportioning blame.

Are the 100,000 dead of COVID-19 China’s fault, the WHO’s fault or the US’s fault? The blaming is a domestic political game for internal US party-political consumption. It has nothing to do with achieving a diplomatic outcome. It is, frankly, not even activity capable of having such an outcome. It is the political equivalent of John Belushi’s address to Carrie Fisher from his knees in the drain under the ballroom near the end of the Blues Brothers.

[Morrigu]

[Pies4shaw]

If you want to call my opinion crap, I’ll just leave you to it.

You could read this, though. If you think it’s crap, too, tell them: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... ed/610063/

[Morrigu]

^ No see I’m not calling your opinion crap it’s just that the issue with the WHO is not solely related to this current situation- they sold out long ago!

I work in health care - evidence based practice is king as it should be - to have the WHO endorse medical practice that is medieval nonsense is more than disappointing it shows they are corrupt$ and China are the main beneficiaries of this!

[Morrigu]

Police fire tear gas in Hong Kong as hundreds protest against proposed national security laws

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-24/ ... s/12281358

[stui magpie]

^ No see I’m not calling your opinion crap it’s just that the issue with the WHO is not solely related to this current situation- they sold out long ago!

I work in health care - evidence based practice is king as it should be - to have the WHO endorse medical practice that is medieval nonsense is more than disappointing it shows they are corrupt$ and China are the main beneficiaries of this!

Feel free to call his opinion out for what it is

[pietillidie]

A timely reminder on the unsayable about the US as it tries to the outbully China:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.ne ... e/12280956

[pietillidie]

This is a good feature on Hong Kong from the BBC:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-as ... a-52786734

[David]

A timely reminder on the unsayable about the US as it tries to the outbully China:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.ne ... e/12280956

Yep. Wish more people in this thread would acknowledge this. As I’ve been saying all along (and I think it’s a pity that the thread ended up mostly framed around discussions of China as exceptional villain), the US is no less tyrannical when it comes to policing the behaviour of its client states. It would be good to see some consistency from those who condemned China for threatening to punish Australia through trade levies, or for them to at least explain what the difference is with what the US is doing here.

(And for what it’s worth, I’m wary of Labor’s cosy relationship with Chinese business interests too.)