Post-match: Pies down to Carlton

[Woods Of Ypres]

All is forgiven mick


Save us.

[Flashman]

Let's put some perspective on this.

A very, very inexperienced team, missing a lot of our top players, either injured or out of form - Swanny, Varcoe, Elliott, Ramsay, Langdon, Adams, Cloke. Two six-day breaks and a trip to Perth thrown in.

We're officially now in a development year. Absolutely nothing to be gained by switching coaches now and creating even more disunity and lack of cohesion.

Yeah there is.

Buckley isn't going to coach beyond this year and keeping him in charge is only going to further erode the players already shot confidence. We are disgraceful and still getting worse and the players aren't benefitting or developing at all from Buckley's tutelage, whatever that is.. A new voice, all be it in a care taker role will at least be a new message, a new mindset and a paradigm shift from the flawed plan they are receiving and it will at least offer the players an alternative from this soul destroying style of play they are failing to play to. Who knows maybe some of them will remember how to enjoy their football again.

It really can't get any worse than this. Smashed by a side that is at ground zero of their rebuild. Seriously this is the absolute nadir of the "succession plan" There are no winners today for this club. We are officially destroyed, divided and without hope.

Mate, with all due respect, I don't thin the scum are at ground zero of a rebuild, they brought in a few GWS guys who could not get a game there, aside from a couple of players, today was as good as it gets for them. When you have twelve guys in with less than 25 games each, which is us, its bloody hard, and when you have guys out like varcoe, taylor adams, Elliott, and swannie, its got to have some affect. Look, I agree Bucks is in strife, like Hardwick, the buck stops with bucks for sure. If he has to go, then my choice would be Bomber Thompson, who ticks all boxes, but time will tell, maybe Bucks can turn things around, but its a big ask, and time is running out for him fast. Maybe he should have played Cloke today, if fit, but does clokes vfl form warrant a berth in the senior team, that remains to be seen.

All good points Piesnchess but something just doesn't seem right about the entire club at the moment, besides how bad we are on field.

Players not conducting themselves like professional athletes off field, premiership hero's off loaded or walking out, terrible recruiting decisions, catastrophic injuries, promises form the board not being met, unwarranted contract extensions....all this has the hall marks of a club that is in a bad and sad place.

It isn't all on Buckley and I'll forever revere him as a footballer but a lot of these problems fall under his sphere of influence. I think we need a circuit break and sadly he's the one with the most crosses next to him. Personally I wouldn't mind seeing Eddie take a back step as well and one of Craig Kelly (if he can disassociate from being Buckleys agent) or Michael Christian take the reigns as a lower profile but hard working club leader. They have the smarts, the pedigree and the ability imo but whether they have the interest is another thing entirely.

[simon tonna]

typifies my day. an net 88 in the first rnd of champos. %$^ me, than this.
i see a pattern in our play that stands out like dogs balls and it has to to do with pendels as the number one culprit. he's a ball watcher to the extreme. he is not a leaders arse. he seems to have to will himself to get to a contest. if he was playing clokes role as a forward with credit in the bank he would of been dropped already. the lads are without a leader and its hurting the triers when they see the shit he dishes out.
degoey would not be playing firsts if we weren't ravished by davaron. not ready. aish, smith, crocker, cox, maynard although played with aggression thank f**k. its not their time to play.
unfortunately it all we got.

[Thunderbird]

Pendlebury.
Great player.
But not convinced he's anywhere close to a great leader.
Hits Rowe on the chest. Then misses Lamb with a soft attempt at a tackle.
Where is our leadership?!

This I think is one of our major problems.
I love Pendles. His skills are sublime. I'm glad he's a Magpie man.
However, as far as inspirational on-field leadership goes, he's gone past it, I believe.
If we're going to have a development year, time to develop a new captain as well - someone with real G & D, who will lay their bodies on the line for us. Tay Adams for me.

Moore takes a mark and Simpson, a good three or four seconds after, elbows him as he runs past, pretending to run to the goal square. I want a LEADER, someone who will run the length of the ground if he has to and drop the mongrel on his ass. We have young team and we are being intimidated. I have never seen a successful team where the Captain does not have capacity to protect his players and have some mongrel in him. Love Pendles but I agree.

Who is our toughest player who will be around for a few years.

[Jezza]

I'm almost relieved that I'm going to a 21st tonight! I can avoid listening to the fallout for a while.

What a mess!

[MightyMagpie]

Pendlebury.
Great player.
But not convinced he's anywhere close to a great leader.
Hits Rowe on the chest. Then misses Lamb with a soft attempt at a tackle.
Where is our leadership?!

This I think is one of our major problems.
I love Pendles. His skills are sublime. I'm glad he's a Magpie man.
However, as far as inspirational on-field leadership goes, he's gone past it, I believe.
If we're going to have a development year, time to develop a new captain as well - someone with real G & D, who will lay their bodies on the line for us. Tay Adams for me.

Moore takes a mark and Simpson, a good three or four seconds after, elbows him as he runs past, pretending to run to the goal square. I want a LEADER, someone who will run the length of the ground if he has to and drop the mongrel on his ass. We have young team and we are being intimidated. I have never seen a successful team where the Captain does not have capacity to protect his players and have some mongrel in him. Love Pendles but I agree.

Who is our toughest player who will be around for a few years.

Ben Crocker.

[Skids]

Back on the track and look forward to next week.
We live to fight another day and hopefully have some good news on injuries and a few experienced players can come back into the lineup.

I love the Pies, I'll be wearing my colours and anyone has anything to say I'll tell 'em to **** off, same as i have for the last 4 decades and the same as I always will.

Have a drink and have a pretty day

[Thunderbird]

No excuses.

Gutted.

This is team is very poor, regardless of injuries. Players like Aish, Greenwood, Howe were poor recruiting choices.

Maynard and Frost show nothing that will improve further.

We all got sold a pup by the club, nowhere near playing finals again anytime soon.

Another 20 years before our next flag!

Players like Aish, Greenwood and Howe are their own worst enemies. They are becoming so desperate they are going in for every ball they can and get wrapped up or get possession under extreme pump. I think they are all good footballers but our game plan sends them out on the ground with a clamp on their nuts. Give them good clean ball and they are all capable of magic.

[rosspies]

Does anyone know what the 50metre penalty to Daisy was for?

[BEAMER09]

OK Bucks let me hear it - we didn't play to our structures - what a lot of crap. We don't have structures and we don't have strengths - we have weaknesses and it's in the Football Department.

We have the players but no game plan.
Blooz have a game plan but no players.

Come on Ed - don't give me this crap about taking a deep breath.
You said you love Malthouse, you love Bucks but you love Collingwood more. Let's see what you dish up this week. Enough is enough and it's about time you made the call otherwise you don't love Collingwood. Into his 5th year and it's atrocious and it's the Coach not the players so let us see how much you love the club (or is it all talk no action cause that what it looks like right now).

Bucks was a great player but he cannot coach!!!

And Pert, shut the you know what about premierships, biggest club, great supporters, ~80K members and fantastic facilities blah blah blah blah blah. How about winning a game a footy and STOP EMBARRASSING US!!!

Pert, Ed - UFI UFI !!!

[MightyMagpie]

Bolton's full post-match presser is up so Bucks' shouldn't be far away.

[PyreneesPie]

Let's put some perspective on this.

A very, very inexperienced team, missing a lot of our top players, either injured or out of form - Swanny, Varcoe, Elliott, Ramsay, Langdon, Adams, Cloke. Two six-day breaks and a trip to Perth thrown in.

We're officially now in a development year. Absolutely nothing to be gained by switching coaches now and creating even more disunity and lack of cohesion.

Yeah there is.

Buckley isn't going to coach beyond this year and keeping him in charge is only going to further erode the players already shot confidence. We are disgraceful and still getting worse and the players aren't benefitting or developing at all from Buckley's tutelage, whatever that is.. A new voice, all be it in a care taker role will at least be a new message, a new mindset and a paradigm shift from the flawed plan they are receiving and it will at least offer the players an alternative from this soul destroying style of play they are failing to play to. Who knows maybe some of them will remember how to enjoy their football again.

Yeah, a well-considered change could perhaps produce some of these positives. But, I really can't recall an instance where a switching a head coach during a season magically produced these effects and sustained them for 14 games, which is how many we have left.

Plus, it is not just the players and Bucks who are at a low ebb, it has to be the whole coaching panel and the rest of the footy department. I'm sure some of us would like to see Scotty Burns take over, but the mid-field isn't exactly producing that much either.

With the support of the Board, there's nothing to say that the team and the present coaching panel can't revise their thinking and their approach and take on a "we've got nothing to lose - let's just go for it and enjoy the ride" type of approach anyway. It would be allowing all this external pressure to cloud their days and bring them all down that would be their biggest mistake.

[RudeBoy]

No excuses.

Gutted.

This is team is very poor, regardless of injuries. Players like Aish, Greenwood, Howe were poor recruiting choices.

Maynard and Frost show nothing that will improve further.

We all got sold a pup by the club, nowhere near playing finals again anytime soon.

Another 20 years before our next flag!

Players like Aish, Greenwood and Howe are their own worst enemies. They are becoming so desperate they are going in for every ball they can and get wrapped up or get possession under extreme pump. I think they are all good footballers but our game plan sends them out on the ground with a clamp on their nuts. Give them good clean ball and they are all capable of magic.

You've got to be joking.

Greenwood is just a plodder, which is why the Roos were happy to let him go. Howe was OK today and may yet prove his worth, but at present he's a long way off securing a spot in our rabble of a team. Don't get me started on Aish. This kid is simply not an AFL player, which is why he couldn't get a game with the Lions.

[MightyMagpie]

Cloke - back injury reason for not playing VFL.

[piedys]

Does anyone know what the 50metre penalty to Daisy was for?

One of our witches hats plodded past the "area".
Any excuse for those lump of shit umpires.