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RudeBoy wrote: Yeah, I agree. The only thing that worried me last night was that, without Fasolo, we don't have a single player on our list capable of grabbing a game by the scruff of the neck and turning it in our favour. We lack a Dangerfield, a Rioli or an Eddie Betts. Our side plugged away all night, but we seem to be lacking the X factor or spark that can win a game when it's hard and tight. Even our best player and captain Pendles, rarely imposes himself on a game to win it for us, rather he is an accumulator and a link player throughout the game. Swan used to win games for us, and sometimes Elliott would too, but who knows whether either of them will ever play for us again?
I was thinking the same exact thing after the game last night.I think we have the makings of a pretty decent side,but it's not all there yet.We have the cake,but there's no icing on it at the moment.

We lack players with the x factor,players who can turn the game with one brilliant goal.If you take Eddie Betts out of their team last night and put him in ours,then we probably win the game.We're just lacking that sort of brilliance in the team,and it's really hurting us at the moment.
Our x factor players are Elliot, Fasolo & Swan :(
Take those three out of any side, and it hurts, and affects the end result of games. :o
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Unfortunately, and I sound like a broken record, but at the end of the 2014 season during the members' forum, I asked Buckley directly to his face in front of the audience about our lack of class up forward since the departures of Medhurst, Leon and Didak, a player that can turn or own a game through sheer brilliance, and he was adamant that role players like Blair and Goldsack are more than capable. That's when he lost me. He thinks hard work and pressure wins games...he doesn't care much for x-factor game-changers who can make something out of nothing. It is why we are so Beige. Sigh...
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you can see where bucks is coming from RAW. he believes in the product
that you produce should be what you live by. you shouldn't be relying on
miracles from impossible scenarios to get you over the line week in week out. just clean, cold hard facts from the basics of the game. however you
look at it its a work in progress that needs time and perseverance.
atm collingwood are there own worst enemies and we deserve to be
where we are and that is fact.

so when a player puts on the guernsey you would expect them to give
all they've got,[which they did last night] but we lacked more than just
effort or a front and centre crumbier or a banana kicked from out side fifty to lift us to victory. we need to as a team to polish up a heck of a lot
more before anyone player can do it for us.
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Raw Hammer wrote:Unfortunately, and I sound like a broken record, but at the end of the 2014 season during the members' forum, I asked Buckley directly to his face in front of the audience about our lack of class up forward since the departures of Medhurst, Leon and Didak, a player that can turn or own a game through sheer brilliance, and he was adamant that role players like Blair and Goldsack are more than capable. That's when he lost me. He thinks hard work and pressure wins games...he doesn't care much for x-factor game-changers who can make something out of nothing. It is why we are so Beige. Sigh...
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simon tonna wrote:you can see where bucks is coming from RAW. he believes in the product
that you produce should be what you live by. you shouldn't be relying on
miracles from impossible scenarios to get you over the line week in week out. just clean, cold hard facts from the basics of the game. however you
look at it its a work in progress that needs time and perseverance.
atm collingwood are there own worst enemies and we deserve to be
where we are and that is fact.

so when a player puts on the guernsey you would expect them to give
all they've got,[which they did last night] but we lacked more than just
effort or a front and centre crumbier or a banana kicked from out side fifty to lift us to victory. we need to as a team to polish up a heck of a lot
more before anyone player can do it for us.
But x-factor can turn a game when the chips are down. X-factor can score the impossible goal to lift a team. X-factor can make other players around them better. X-factor can be the cream on top.

See Daicos in the 1990 GF. He had no right to kick our first goal of the day, the Bombers were all over us. Then BAMMO from the 5th row. Team believes. Game on! See Didak's two final qtr goals vs Bris during the 2003 QF, or his smother and freak right foot snap in the 2010 GF to snuff out St Kilda's mini run. The A-B-C's are all well and good, but X completes the puzzle.
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Raw Hammer wrote:Unfortunately, and I sound like a broken record, but at the end of the 2014 season during the members' forum, I asked Buckley directly to his face in front of the audience about our lack of class up forward since the departures of Medhurst, Leon and Didak, a player that can turn or own a game through sheer brilliance, and he was adamant that role players like Blair and Goldsack are more than capable. That's when he lost me. He thinks hard work and pressure wins games...he doesn't care much for x-factor game-changers who can make something out of nothing. It is why we are so Beige. Sigh...
What was he going to say "both are average players" or"we can only recruit so many good players each year" or "when someone better comes along they are gone"?
Elliot Broomhead and Fasolo have all been recruited as x factor players its injuries that have caused the problems.
Swan was going to play forward this year until injury

Remember Didak only played forward instead of the midfield because his goal kicking was more valuable than being a mid.
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King Monkey wrote:Must've watched a different game regarding Darcy Moore than some people.

Greasy night, top rated opponent - marked what he could and brought the ball to ground when unable to hold the mark. Rarely caught behind his man.
Without dominating was pretty good.
Agree, if he'd clunked a few of those marks we'd be saying it was 1 of his better games.
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Culprit wrote:Lost the game in the first quarter and played catch up after that. The team had a crack and whilst I am annoyed we lost I am not disappointed. One point raised last night was that we have only 5 players that have played all year and that is very clear in our game play. Let's bounce back and knock off the Roos. :P
Yep this, 1 goal 6 points in the 1st quarter killed us.
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check out my review of the game guys! will be interested to hear what you guys have to say!
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Pressers are like Parent-Teacher meetings. You only show a small glimpse of what teaching is actually going on behind the scenes. Earlier on in the season our gameplan appeared broken because players were not running hard enough both ways, to the correct spacing positions in regards to their opposition and were getting torched [like they did in the first Q against the Crows] because their space/man balance was too heavily weighed towards space and they weren't close enough to their man [eg Oxley] nor running off at the correct times [eg Frost].

The intercepting zone that all clubs use relies on you being close enough for a spoil but also being able to quickly assess when the ball is coming in where its going to land and getting there first. As familiarity with that, tweaks to it, stability of personnel, improved knowledge of teammates has happened we have been more able to use our skill on the contest as an excuse, rather than workrate. Adelaide out skilled us, whereas earlier in the season the Saints, Dees and Blues outworked us.

One thing that has really improved this season is our ball movement by hand. We look to have modelled that on the Geelong Kennett Curse years. We play exciting footy but yes, miss Jamie Elliott's creativity most of all. Crocker might be a solid option going forward but he's probably not Didak/Leon gamebreaking quality.
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neil wrote:
Raw Hammer wrote:Unfortunately, and I sound like a broken record, but at the end of the 2014 season during the members' forum, I asked Buckley directly to his face in front of the audience about our lack of class up forward since the departures of Medhurst, Leon and Didak, a player that can turn or own a game through sheer brilliance, and he was adamant that role players like Blair and Goldsack are more than capable. That's when he lost me. He thinks hard work and pressure wins games...he doesn't care much for x-factor game-changers who can make something out of nothing. It is why we are so Beige. Sigh...
What was he going to say "both are average players" or"we can only recruit so many good players each year" or "when someone better comes along they are gone"?
Elliot Broomhead and Fasolo have all been recruited as x factor players its injuries that have caused the problems.
Swan was going to play forward this year until injury

Remember Didak only played forward instead of the midfield because his goal kicking was more valuable than being a mid.
This is it up forward.

Put Elliot, fas and swan at the feet of Darcy, white Cloke and cox and we look an entirely different and far more potent forward line with plenty of X factor. Perhaps just lacking some speed. Never mind about next year, That was how it was supposed to pan out this year. And it didn't due to injury.

But yet we continue to keep banging on about Blair and IMO miss the point completely. If Elliot and co were available to play he probably wouldn't get a game. How hard is that to work out?? But as it stands when you look at our list, he has experience and is durable and he is available. Something our side lacks enormously. So he's going to get a game.

Probably time to deal with that fact or seek counselling.
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Raw Hammer wrote:Unfortunately, and I sound like a broken record, but at the end of the 2014 season during the members' forum, I asked Buckley directly to his face in front of the audience about our lack of class up forward since the departures of Medhurst, Leon and Didak, a player that can turn or own a game through sheer brilliance, and he was adamant that role players like Blair and Goldsack are more than capable. That's when he lost me. He thinks hard work and pressure wins games...he doesn't care much for x-factor game-changers who can make something out of nothing. It is why we are so Beige. Sigh...

a good point , i hate to say it but melbourne did well getting Gartlett for nothing , he does have that x factor and crumbing ability. The crows were smart nabbing Betts, he was difference saturday night.
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