Post Match. Pies down to Tigers. All comments.

[Pies4shaw]

It's "Bob's Country Bunker"
And you missed the key part of the line to reference.
"We have TWO kinds of music, Country & Western"

I've only watched The Blues Brothers about 40 times...

It's actually "Oh, we got both kinds. Country AND western."

[Big T]

New game style has left us vulnerable in defence. We need a proper full back. But our defensive structures tighten up as the season progresses.

We looked good when we could execute our game plan, but poor field kicking and goal kicking cost us.

I liked the fight we showed all day, never gave up, just a shame our skills let us down and succumbing to the tigs pressure at times.

I like where we are going, but we need more A grade talent pure and simple, do we trade? Or go to the draft? Both have pros and cons.

i think what we are learning is that our game plan requires a ruckman that never gets flogged. We criticize Grundy for not destroying his less paid opponents, but the truth is, part of being a good ruckman is as much about thwarting the opponents drive as it is implementing ours. And Grundy certainly did that.

in the first half alone, hitouts to advantage was about 10-0 against. The last two weeks we have seen most plays start from our backline as the opposition just walks it out.

Today, except for a very short period when DeGoey, Pendles and Crisp tore it up in the middles in the second or third (i forget when), we got killed! Very hard for a backline to keep repelling that quick entry.

We won the centre clearances. Hitouts are a worthless stat, and even hitouts to advantage aren't a heap better. Cameron played very well, and I'd rather play Begg than Cox.

Agree whole heartedly. My only beef with our ruck development is we seem to develop talent for other sides to capitalize!!!

[Pies2016]

I’m struggling to find Tyler Browns name mentioned anywhere in this thread.
He must have played ok then.

[JC Hartley]

Collingwood were unable to put a halt to Richmond's resurgence and a dominant performance from Tom Lynch, which also earmarked the return of Dustin Martin in a contest where the Magpies lost by 27 points. The opening quarter was quite scrappy where both sides wasted some opportunities, yet still kicked a few goals by the end of the term. The second quarter was where the game went Richmond's way and ultimately determined the outcome of the contest when Tom Lynch booted 4 goals for the quarter to end up with 5 for the half, which included his opening goal in the opening term. Lynch ended up booting his 6th goal in the last term. The last two quarters was a bit of a stalemate where both teams broke even on the scoreboard, which prevented a blowout that the Tigers threatened to produce or any potential comeback that Collingwood may have posed on the match itself. Richmond made plans to ensure Collingwood's defenders kicked to contests where the Magpies did not have adequate height to match the Tigers in aerial contests. The Woods also made propensities to bomb the ball long up forward where Richmond's defenders were sitting back taking intercept marks or halving contests with greater numbers at ground level. Richmond also exploited the lack of key defenders that Collingwood had available which saw Darcy Moore's zoning game come unstuck as he was not able to neutralise his direct opponent in Tom Lynch who proved too much for him when the game was on the line. The Magpies need to go back to the drawing board and not fall into the trap of playing into the opposition's hands and terms.

Collingwood won a frugal number of statistical categories from sources such as handballs by +16 (170 - 154), intercept possessions by +3 (78 - 75), +9 for tackles (48 - 39), and Tackles Inside 50 were won by +1 (5 - 4). Richmond gained control from disposals by +24 (388 - 364), kicks were won by +40 (234 - 194), contested possessions had a margin of +13 (138 - 125), uncontested possessions were up by +7 (236 - 229), while hit-outs had an advantage of +33 (49 - 16), +6 for clearances, with stoppage clearances won by +6 (22 - 16). Marks went in favour of the Tigers by +20 (94 - 74), with uncontested marks won by +20 (85 - 65), while Marks Inside 50 had a differential of +7 (19 - 12), and Inside 50s were won narrowly by +3 ( 61 - 58 ). Centre clearances (14 each) and contested marks (9 apiece) were the only categories in dispute.

Patrick Lipinski (30 disposals @ 73%, 385 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 21 uncontested possessions, 5 intercept possessions, 13 kicks, 17 handballs, 4 marks, 1 goal assist, 9 score involvements, 2 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 2 Inside 50s & 5 Rebound 50s) contributed solidly to the team's cause by linking up possessions on transition and won his own ball from stoppages. Lipinski had 20 disposals in the second half to take momentum into next weekend's game against his former club.

Jack Crisp (30 disposals @ 73%, 606 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 21 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 12 kicks, 18 handballs, 4 marks, 6 tackles, 10 score involvements, 9 Inside 50s & 1 goal) had a prolific game through the midfield by surging the ball forward at every opportunity and gave his forwards opportunities to score goals.

Taylor Adams (29 disposals @ 66%, 487 metres gained, 12 contested possessions, 17 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 15 kicks, 14 handballs, 2 tackles, 1 goal assist, 7 score involvements, 5 clearances, 3 centre clearances, 2 stoppage clearances, 7 Inside 50s & 1 goal) worked tirelessly to win contested ball, win clearances and got involved in scoring chains to compliment Jack Crisp in the centre.

Jordan De Goey (22 disposals @ 77%, 352 metres gained, 9 contested possessions, 13 uncontested possessions, 2 intercept possessions, 8 kicks, 14 handballs, 3 marks, 1 goal assist, 8 score involvements, 6 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 4 stoppage clearances, 4 Inside 50s & 2 Rebound 50s) attempted to maximise his impact from fewer possessions, and did relatively well. De Goey looked to move the ball forward as often as possible after he won clearances and stayed busy in contributing to the team's ball movement to the forwards.

Darcy Cameron (21 disposals @ 71%, 263 metres gained, 8 contested possessions, 13 uncontested possessions, 5 intercept possessions, 14 hit-outs, 11 kicks, 10 handballs, 6 marks, 3 contested marks, 6 tackles, 5 score involvements, 2 clearances, 2 stoppage clearances & 5 Inside 50s) battled manfully in the ruck to break even against Toby Nankervis & Ivan Soldo as much as he could and competed strongly. Cameron was also quite useful in laying tackles to keep the ball locked in, and moved well around the ground to take some marks and produce territory.

Nick Daicos (25 disposals @ 72%, 530 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 21 uncontested possessions, 5 intercept possessions, 16 kicks, 9 handballs, 6 marks, 1 goal assist, 10 score involvements, 5 Inside 50s & 3 Rebound 50s) accumulated his possessions nicely, but found it challenging to maintain possession as he struggled to find a free teammate in space coming out of defence as Richmond closed down his options.

Scott Pendlebury (24 disposals @ 88%, 389 metres gained, 8 contested possessions, 16 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 8 kicks, 16 handballs, 3 tackles, 6 score involvements, 4 clearances, 2 centre clearances, 2 stoppage clearances & 4 Rebound 50s) took it upon himself to run the ball out of defence by hand at speed to break up Richmond's defence and had some success, while Pendlebury also hit up targets by foot within close range to maintain possession.

Isaac Quaynor (17 disposals @ 88%, 379 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 10 uncontested possessions, 9 intercept possessions, 8 kicks, 9 handballs, 2 marks, 2 tackles, 3 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 5 Rebound 50s) looked to provide dash out of defence and accumulate on the run. The Tigers were able to minimise his influence and caused Quaynor to cough the ball up at various stages. Quaynor sustained an injury late in the game, so we will wait and see throughout the week if he recovers in time for the clash with the Bulldogs.

Jeremy Howe (17 disposals @ 88%, 333 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 13 uncontested possessions, 7 intercept possessions, 9 kicks, 8 handballs, 6 marks, 4 score involvements & 6 Rebound 50s) played solidly without impacting the result directly. Howe took some marks and provided some quality rebound to maintain possession when he had time and space to execute his possessions successfully.

John Noble (16 disposals @ 75%, 331 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 13 uncontested possessions, 6 intercept possessions, 9 kicks, 7 handballs, 3 marks, 5 tackles, 4 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 3 Rebound 50s) gave plenty of dash off the last line of defence and tackled with vigour. Noble's ball use was par for the course, as he experienced challenges in ensuring Collingwood kept possession out of defence.

Brayden Maynard (15 disposals @ 67%, 391 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 11 uncontested possessions, 4 intercept possessions, 11 kicks, 4 handballs, 3 marks, 1 goal assist, 2 score involvements, 4 Inside 40s & 2 Rebound 50s) looked to kick long at every opportunity to give the team more time to defend. Unfortunately, Richmond had plans for Maynard's kicking game which played into their hands.

Darcy Moore (13 disposals @ 77%, 284 metres gained, 6 contested possessions, 7 uncontested possessions, 9 intercept possessions, 10 kicks, 3 handballs, 5 marks, 3 contested marks, 3 tackles, 2 score involvements & 8 Rebound 50s) had a very tough and dirty day where he was out-pointed by Tom Lynch in the first half, before limiting the damage in the second half to take marks and take territory with his kicks.

Will Hoskin-Elliott (14 disposals @ 57%, 270 metres gained, 7 contested possessions, 7 uncontested possessions, 3 intercept possessions, 8 kicks, 6 handballs, 5 marks, 3 score involvements, 3 Inside 50s & 2 goals) accumulated possessions without much damage. Ended the game by taking the mark of the day and chimed in with a couple of majors.

Oliver Henry (10 disposals @ 50%, 275 metres gained, 2 contested possessions, 8 uncontested possessions, 8 kicks, 2 handballs, 4 marks, 3 Marks Inside 50, 1 goal assist, 8 score involvements, 2 Inside 50s & 2 goals) made a competitive return to AFL level, where he was highly active in score involvements, took some marks up forward and kicked a couple of goals.

Beau McCreery (9 disposals @ 56%, 135 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 6 uncontested possessions, 6 kicks, 3 handballs, 2 marks, 2 Marks Inside 50, 2 tackles, 1 goal assist, 8 score involvements & 1 goal) did not a very good day in front of the sticks. McCreery was lively, but extremely wasteful.

Brody Mihocek (8 disposals @ 62%, 186 metres gained, 4 contested possessions, 4 uncontested possessions, 6 kicks, 2 handballs, 4 marks, 2 Marks Inside 50, 3 tackles, 2 Tackles Inside 50, 7 score involvements & 2 goals) gave his team a marking target when nobody else was presenting at the ball carrier. Mihocek was also able to make the most of his limited opportunities in a solid performance under the circumstances.

Jack Ginnivan (5 disposals @ 80%, 165 metres gained, 3 contested possessions, 2 uncontested possessions, 5 kicks, 2 marks, 4 score involvements & 3 goals) snapped his way through to another haul of goals on a tough day where quality supply was limited. Ginnivan has the knack of drawing head-high free kicks like Joel Selwood & Luke Shuey before him.

Collingwood's next game will be against the Western Bulldogs on May 13 at Marvel Stadium. The Magpies have a huge opportunity to capitalise and exploit the undersized defence that the Bulldogs will have on the ground once Friday night comes around. Collingwood will need to correct its ball use up forward for the Pies to be able to kick a winning score. No long bombs, plenty of short kicks and handball receives and change the angles to keep the Bulldogs guessing on where the next possession is going. The only times to kick long inside 50 is when the forwards are behind their opponents close to goal to be able to take marks from those kicks from long range. Collingwood's defenders will also need to ensure that they are not forced to kick to contests as the height profile is not sufficient. Handball receives from defence will be a requirement as it will draw opponents out of defence and open up gaps for Collingwood's forwards to get dangerous once they are charging from defence into attack on transition. Make the final game of the season at Marvel Stadium a win and regenerate momentum in the weeks that follow.

[LaurieHolden]

[Lazza]

We need to get the draft picks right irrespective of their background or heritage. I have always hoped that we end up around 12 - 16 this season in order to get a reasonably high draft pick to build the team up to be really competitive next season and play deep into the finals in the following years.

[What'sinaname]

18 AFL listed players having Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander descent.

*Stats Insider have 3 players ranked inside the 'Top 50' https://www.statsinsider.com.au/afl/player-ratings

*Champion Data have 5 listed as 'Elite'
https://www.zerohanger.com/champion-dat ... 022-97716/

Tell Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti and Maurice Rioli Jr that they aren't of aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander descent.

In 2021, there were 81 AFL listed indigenous men players. They released a mapto show the cultural heritage of all 103 indigenous players (AFL and AFLW). I'll presume you meant 81, and not 18.

Anyway, why list the Top 50 and Elite. It's not as if the team is made up exclusively of top 50 or Elite players. We'd be lucky to have 3 top 50 / elite players on a list of, what, 44 players.

A bigger question is with 81 indigenous men, that equates to 4 per team on average. We have ZERO.

[Take_a_Screamer]

I’m struggling to find Tyler Browns name mentioned anywhere in this thread.
He must have played ok then.

He did OK. Slight bit better than Darcy Moore, based on fantasy figures.
But Moore had a dirty day against Lynch.

[matrix10]

Result about right given where each team at
Tigers slow start to year got everyone excited they were done. Looking at their team on paper is quite sobering/ forgot how many gold players they have/ with a few to come in. They have a point to prove and were too strong and experienced- watching from high in the ponsford you can see how they are so well set up around the ground- we are getting there but a few years off having that ingrained

Bianco was a surprising selection given he has looked ordinary at VFL- even his 5 goal effort was not impressive. He seems a lovely young bloke yet to slow, small and his much hyped disposal has not come through and should not have played
Begg and Henry were impressive- keep playing them
Nick Daicos is arguably our most level headed player - forget he has only played 8 games
With Madgen out- Moore took his role as scapegoat for weak defensive midfield
Ginnivan is a ripper- a ‘nothing’ game and still kicked 3- haven’t had a goal kicking forward for a long time
WHE was good and I think is having a solid year.
Sidey as others have mentioned was poor/ up and down form this year
Jack Crisp and John Noble aren’t perfect but they can be guaranteed to put in 100% every game- our two best players this year and again yesterday
Lipinski does some good things- yet disposal into 50 and his attack at the ball could improve
Maynard and Josh Daicos shut down so a lot of our run dried up
4/4 is a decent considering expectations at start of year
Tough 5 weeks ahead- if we could win 2 or 3 that would be great- would love to sneak a final purely for young teams experience

[Magpietothemax]

Result about right given where each team at
Tigers slow start to year got everyone excited they were done. Looking at their team on paper is quite sobering/ forgot how many gold players they have/ with a few to come in. They have a point to prove and were too strong and experienced- watching from high in the ponsford you can see how they are so well set up around the ground- we are getting there but a few years off having that ingrained

Bianco was a surprising selection given he has looked ordinary at VFL- even his 5 goal effort was not impressive. He seems a lovely young bloke yet to slow, small and his much hyped disposal has not come through and should not have played
Begg and Henry were impressive- keep playing them
Nick Daicos is arguably our most level headed player - forget he has only played 8 games
With Madgen out- Moore took his role as scapegoat for weak defensive midfield
Ginnivan is a ripper- a ‘nothing’ game and still kicked 3- haven’t had a goal kicking forward for a long time
WHE was good and I think is having a solid year.
Sidey as others have mentioned was poor/ up and down form this year
Jack Crisp and John Noble aren’t perfect but they can be guaranteed to put in 100% every game- our two best players this year and again yesterday
Lipinski does some good things- yet disposal into 50 and his attack at the ball could improve
Maynard and Josh Daicos shut down so a lot of our run dried up
4/4 is a decent considering expectations at start of year
Tough 5 weeks ahead- if we could win 2 or 3 that would be great- would love to sneak a final purely for young teams experience

I agree. I think we should not underestimate the value of victories in this development phase. Would be fantastic experience for our team to even play just one final.

[LaurieHolden]

18 AFL listed players having Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander descent.

*Stats Insider have 3 players ranked inside the 'Top 50' https://www.statsinsider.com.au/afl/player-ratings

*Champion Data have 5 listed as 'Elite'
https://www.zerohanger.com/champion-dat ... 022-97716/

Tell Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti and Maurice Rioli Jr that they aren't of aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander descent.

In 2021, there were 81 AFL listed indigenous men players. They released a mapto show the cultural heritage of all 103 indigenous players (AFL and AFLW). I'll presume you meant 81, and not 18.

Anyway, why list the Top 50 and Elite. It's not as if the team is made up exclusively of top 50 or Elite players. We'd be lucky to have 3 top 50 / elite players on a list of, what, 44 players.

A bigger question is with 81 indigenous men, that equates to 4 per team on average. We have ZERO.

Yep, typo.

We actually have two AFL listed players with indigenous heritage, Nathan Kreuger and Ash Johnston.
(Ash Johnson brother Shane McAdam plays for Adelaide and their cousins, Gold Coast defender Jy Farrar and Carlton backman Sam Petrevski-Seton)
(Kreugers father played footy at the Darwin Buffaloes)

What I was trying to illustrate is only a handful of players get to that level, Indigenous or not.
Just thought I'd better cut it short as I have a habit of going into too much detail and perhaps belongs on a different thread.

[Take_a_Screamer]

We actually have two AFL listed players with indigenous heritage, Nathan Kreuger and Ash Johnston...

What I was trying to illustrate is only a handful of players get to that level, Indigenous or not.

I thought Krueger has German heritage, reminds me of Hogan's Heroes

First original player I ever saw was Syd Jackson playing for Carlton in the 70s. What a talent he was!
Only 5 ft 8 in playing in the centre or half forward. Would he get that role today?
The available pool of indigenous players is small, so only a few are represented.

[Born to Pie]

It doesn't matter what heritage the players have we need forwards, mids, backs and utility players.
We need them to be able to kick and handball on both sides and be good decision makers.
They need to able to run both ways, and defend one on one.
We don't need project players, we need footballers.
First nation or Chinese it doesn't matter to me and I don't think it matters to Fly, and I don't think it should matter to anyone else.
When you look at them as people and as footballers, what do you see? A race or a heritage?
Am I a better footballer because of my heritage?

[LaurieHolden]

We actually have two AFL listed players with indigenous heritage, Nathan Kreuger and Ash Johnston...

What I was trying to illustrate is only a handful of players get to that level, Indigenous or not.

I thought Krueger has German heritage, reminds me of Hogan's Heroes

First original player I ever saw was Syd Jackson playing for Carlton. What a talent he was!
The available pool of players is small, that is why only a few are represented.

Nathan Kreuger is a Noongar man, South Western WA.
Ash Johnston is from Halls Creek but unsure of his people however it is home to the Indigenous Djaru and Gija peoples as well as some Tjurabalan peoples from the desert.

My first memories are from 80's. Phil Narkle, hard to forget in that helmet and the Krakouer brothers, they were nothing short of electric.

[Pies2016]

Result about right given where each team at
Tigers slow start to year got everyone excited they were done. Looking at their team on paper is quite sobering/ forgot how many gold players they have/ with a few to come in. They have a point to prove and were too strong and experienced- watching from high in the ponsford you can see how they are so well set up around the ground- we are getting there but a few years off having that ingrained

Bianco was a surprising selection given he has looked ordinary at VFL- even his 5 goal effort was not impressive. He seems a lovely young bloke yet to slow, small and his much hyped disposal has not come through and should not have played
Begg and Henry were impressive- keep playing them
Nick Daicos is arguably our most level headed player - forget he has only played 8 games
With Madgen out- Moore took his role as scapegoat for weak defensive midfield
Ginnivan is a ripper- a ‘nothing’ game and still kicked 3- haven’t had a goal kicking forward for a long time
WHE was good and I think is having a solid year.
Sidey as others have mentioned was poor/ up and down form this year
Jack Crisp and John Noble aren’t perfect but they can be guaranteed to put in 100% every game- our two best players this year and again yesterday
Lipinski does some good things- yet disposal into 50 and his attack at the ball could improve
Maynard and Josh Daicos shut down so a lot of our run dried up
4/4 is a decent considering expectations at start of year
Tough 5 weeks ahead- if we could win 2 or 3 that would be great- would love to sneak a final purely for young teams experience

I agree. I think we should not underestimate the value of victories in this development phase. Would be fantastic experience for our team to even play just one final.

Couldn’t agree more. People talk as though let’s just develop for a year or two and then flick the “ W “ switch on and we’re away. Coming from 17th and developing losing habits, the club now under a new regime, is obligated to win whatever it can. There’s no better collective development than winning. That’s where the confidence, the positive environment and belief all stems from.