The 2021 Great Big Consolidated Trade & Draft thread

[Macattacks]

If we could hang on to pick 22 we could snag a Van Rooyen or Bazzo

[jackcass]

If we finish 17th again next year, GC come out winners with the 2022 draft. We’ll have a potential gun with Nick, but it’s still a gamble that could bite us on the arse. For us to totally win the deal, we’ll have to dramatically climb the ladder in 2022.

Not really. Depends which GCS picks are included of course.

Before all the compo started impacting they had (after their pick 3 & 19) pick 22 (845 points), 46 (331), 58 (170), 61 (135), and 69 (49).

Pick 19 (finish last) is only 948 points so if pick 22 is included then you only need the other picks to surpass (at a maximum) 103 points for us to be in front in a points scenario. So as long as it includes any 1 of 46, 58, or 61 as well as 22 we're in front.

That's without even considering any additional trading that stems from this deal, or that it likely negates any potential deficit impact on our R1 2022 pick.

[Mr Miyagi]

If we finish 17th again next year, GC come out winners with the 2022 draft. We’ll have a potential gun with Nick, but it’s still a gamble that could bite us on the arse. For us to totally win the deal, we’ll have to dramatically climb the ladder in 2022.

Not really. Depends which GCS picks are included of course.

Before all the compo started impacting they had (after their pick 3 & 19) pick 22 (845 points), 46 (331), 58 (170), 61 (135), and 69 (49).

Pick 19 (finish last) is only 948 points so if pick 22 is included then you only need the other picks to surpass (at a maximum) 103 points for us to be in front in a points scenario. So as long as it includes any 1 of 46, 58, or 61 as well as 22 we're in front.

That's without even considering any additional trading that stems from this deal, or that it likely negates any potential deficit impact on our R1 2022 pick.

Ah ok. The Age wrote it up in the way I described. Like I said, we get a top three draft pick in Nick Daicos, so it’s not a loss for us. It’s nothing like the trade we did for Treloar with future picks.

[magpieazza]

Sounds like a great deal if we pick up those three Suns picks for our future second and third.

If we give up a pick 40 odd for Lapinski and pick 50 odd for Kreuger that sounds fair.

So if we are left with 2nd pick in the pre season draft, I would love to see Charlie Constable nominate us and we walk him to that draft, costing us nothing.

As Ive said before I like the way Constable plays and has great skills. He didnt get a much of a chance at Geelong bc of their midfield depth but I reckon CC would fit nicely with us. Goes without saying we need midfield depth in that age group especially...so cmon Wrighty make it happen!!

[Macattacks]

Need an awful lot to go our way but we could hang on to pick 22 if Daics falls to 3rd


Points: 22 (845) 36 (502) 41 (412) 43 (378) 46 (331) 48 (302) 58 (170) Total: 2940


On:

Pick 22 (Van Rooyen? Bazzo?)

Daicos 36 41 43 46 58 Total 1793 (picked 3rd requiring 1787 points)

Lipinski 48

Kreuger PSD

Dib?

[Pies2016]

The club has had 12 months to plan this in the knowledge Daicos would always be called out # 1 or # 2. None of the pick swaps should be a surprise to anyone. It’s just prudent list management and not much else.
Dogs would definitely want anything we offer in the way of 2021 selections under # 50, so the Lipinski trade looks as good as done with so many picks to trade with.
They could then still trade another one of our selections in the forties for Krueger and we would still have enough to match the Daicos bid at # 1.
The additional benefits to the above would also include retaining our PSD selection for some additional tweaking at no trade cost and Dib ( likely ) being available for next to nothing later in the draft, assuming we rate him.
If we assume these picks swaps get done, then it’s all come together almost to easily.
Also very important we keep our 2022 first rounder intact. Anything in single digits is bloody hard to come by, so that alone will offer up a number of options next year.

[Pies2016]

Need an awful lot to go our way, it's really tight even with the best scenario of Nick at 3rd but there's a chance to hang on to pick 22


Points: 22 (845) 36 (502) 41 (412) 43 (378) 46 (331) 48 (302) 58 (170) Total: 2940


On:

Pick 22

Daicos 36 41 43 46 58 Total 1793 (picked 3rd requiring 1787 points)

Lipinski 48

Kreuger PSD

Dib?

You are required to use your first available picks when calculating points, not by counting backwards and trying to save your earliest pick.
There’s no way we retain pick 22 unless we trade out one of our best players as a swap for a pick in single figures.
As long as Dib is called out after pick 40 ( very likely ) we can secure him at whatever pick we have next available. If that’s # 93, then so be it.

[magpieazza]

Just on the Lynch situation, it was just on trade radio that the Harvey connection at the Hawks has alerted them to ML and the Dorks are now interested ....however they say they could get ML on the cheap.

Well I say no to that!!
ML is worth more to us than giving him away on the cheap. Yes he only played a few games with us but thats bc of our strength in the ruck department, which shouldnt diminish ML worth. Would rather trade Cox on the cheap and keep ML who I feel will get more opportunity at the Pies once Cox unblocks the passage.

Bit irritated that we would be left with Cox, get bugger shite all for ML and then we are expected to give up a pick 40 for Kreuger.

[masoncox]

Why spend 5 years developing ML and then give him up for nothing much.
Hawks never develop ruckmen....just pinch them from other teams who have done the hard yards.

[BazBoy]

[Charlie Oneeye]

We seem to want Lippi and the German for near nothing, and want the most for ML.

I want tNick Daicos. Happy to do a deal with the Suns for our 2022 3nd rounder, but I'd also like to keep 36 41 43... these are basically late 2nd rounders..

In effect (from Suns)22, 36 41 43 = 2137 , that is almost exactlywhat we need to cover Nick at Pick 2. 2517 points - 20%.

Collingwood 2020 draft pics 23, 30, 31, 44
23 Reef McInnes
30 Caleb Poulter
31 Liam McMahon
44 Beau McCreery

So we Select Nick Daicos and forego these types. I almost want to further dip into 2022

[Charlie Oneeye]

correction
Suns for our 2022 2nd rounder,

[magpieazza]

[Born to Pie]

I know a lot seem to be thinking that trading future second and third round picks is too much of a gamble, the understanding needs to be that the whole draft is really a gamble.

Going back to the drafts between 2011 - 2016 (players selected have/had the possibility of a 5-10 career, seems a good statistical sample).

18 players selected in each of the second and third rounds is 36 players in total each year:

2011: 16 players played 0-10 games, 9 players still on lists, (11 1st round no longer listed)

2012: 16 players played 0-10 games, 11 players still on lists, (12 1st round no longer listed)

2013: 7 players played 0-10 games, 22 players still on lists, (9 1st round no longer listed)

2014: 11 players played 0-10 games, 18 players still on lists, (7 1st round no longer listed)

2015: 10 players played 0-10 games, 14 players still on lists, (1 1st round no longer listed)

2016: 8 players played 0-10 games, 21 players still on lists, (1 1st round no longer listed)

The point for me is that second and third round selections 1 in 3 are a miss ( 10 games or less), and at best with 95 of 180 selections over the sample period it's a 50/50 chance of getting a decent player. Even the first round is hit and miss.

For the Pies over the period between 2011-2016 we had a total of 15 selections between the 1st and 3rd rounds, only 6 of those still play for us: Grundy, DeGoey, Moore, Maynard, Sier and Callum Brown.

WHE, Adams and Cameron fit the profile but were drafted by other clubs.

I don't think trading future 2nd or 3rd rounders for a known quantity in N. Daicos is too much of a risk.

[Macattacks]

You are required to use your first available picks when calculating points, not by counting backwards and trying to save your earliest pick.
There’s no way we retain pick 22 unless we trade out one of our best players as a swap for a pick in single figures.
As long as Dib is called out after pick 40 ( very likely ) we can secure him at whatever pick we have next available. If that’s # 93, then so be it.

That's a bummer, oh well more than enough points for what we need to do, might even have enough left over for a Hine special