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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 7:39 pm
by watt price tully
Magpie Russ wrote:warburton lad wrote:We owe Melbourne zilch in terms of Grundy.
If anything they owe us for the times when they were in financial trouble and we 'lent' them Queens Birthday.
The fixture is traditionally staged at the Melbourne Cricket Ground, which is the home ground for both teams. However, from 2001 until 2018, the match was always a designated Melbourne home game, resulting in Melbourne receiving a greater portion of the gate and its highest match profit of each season, in the order of $800,000 to $900,000. Collingwood, which had a substantially higher membership and more blockbuster fixtures than Melbourne, agreed to and encouraged the deal over that period.[4] Since 2019, when a period of success had seen Melbourne close the financial gap between the clubs, the clubs have agreed to alternate the home team designation between the two clubs each year, with Collingwood's first home game played in 2019.
Not sure why we do this only for team to throw it back in our face. Another example is St Kilda, over the last decade have got St Kilda - $156m in funding from the AFL. Collingwood the lowest Collingwood - $93.3m. They use that money to have a crack at JDG.
That is the way equalisation works but for all we do as a club to make the AFL what it is... want 3.30pm on a Sunday to rate... schedule Collingwood... we don't get very much back.
There is a cry in the press and elsewhere about what a season 2022 was... AFL has never been better!!!! Take Collingwood out of this year and it was just another year. It was us that made this year special.
Rant over (for now
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Indeed
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 7:43 pm
by watt price tully
So Melbourne are telling us to get stuffed for way unders. Let’s hang on to him. The fuchsia’s are nothing more than entitled prats (add Geelong to the mix)
All part of the unseemly trade week. I’m sick to death of “time will tell” and other truisms.
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 7:46 pm
by Johnno75
Melbourne will cave and swap 16 with 13. They just lost Jackson they can I’ll afford let let Grundy slip though their fingers.
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 7:50 pm
by burnsy17
Could this be a master stroke from Wright? We lead everyone into thinking we can’t afford to keep Grundy…, Now that Jackson is gone, we have some of the power back with the Grundy trade…. In that Melb now need a second ruckman…. We played nice enough and now that Jackson is gone Wright tells them we want more, and if you don’t give it, we keep him.
In reality, we probably have enough space in the cap to keep Grundy if we have to. Consider the below.
Hill - $400k
McStay - $650k
So $1M in…..
The brown Bros - call it $350k each. We’ll lose someone else like a Madgen or Poulter… there’s another $350k and that nets out the two ins.
And I’m sure there’s still enough fat in the cap for a Frampton, for example.
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 7:56 pm
by piffdog
burnsy17 wrote:Could this be a master stroke from Wright? We lead everyone into thinking we can’t afford to keep Grundy…, Now that Jackson is gone, we have some of the power back with the Grundy trade….
This is a great point and one I hadn’t thought of. I was lamenting that we had no control in this deal but they (Melb) are now arguably a ruck short. Still think it would be difficult for team cohesion for Grundy to stay (reading between the lines) - but they probably need to deal as well.
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 8:01 pm
by MAY-Z
piffdog wrote:burnsy17 wrote:Could this be a master stroke from Wright? We lead everyone into thinking we can’t afford to keep Grundy…, Now that Jackson is gone, we have some of the power back with the Grundy trade….
This is a great point and one I hadn’t thought of. I was lamenting that we had no control in this deal but they (Melb) are now arguably a ruck short. Still think it would be difficult for team cohesion for Grundy to stay (reading between the lines) - but they probably need to deal as well.
And in the mean time, all of the other available rucks have selected other homes (Meek to hawks, Soldo seems GWS etc).
What would be brilliant (but also incredibly unlikely) would be we keep Grundy, let Henry go for 25, then pay overs to hawks for Mitchell say 25 and a first rounder but get them to cover almost all his salary
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 8:02 pm
by burnsy17
I think he’ll still be traded, but at least now Melb somewhat needs him, which gives us a little more bargaining power.
Especially if they get rid of Weideman who could potentially act as their second ruck.
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 8:36 pm
by Damien
If it comes down to bring in Mitchell v keep Grundy just keep Grundy.
I heard that if they won’t budge on pick 27, then we say take on board a heap more of his salary.
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 8:43 pm
by Presti35
Bloody interesting times I tell you.
What if Grundy stays?? Is the Cap stuffed?? Will we keep a spot free for the MSD? Does that end our trade period? What does that mean for Frampton, Fiorini and Mitchell?? I cant wait to see what happens!
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 8:51 pm
by Deja Vu
I think Mitchell improves us more than Grundy.
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:07 pm
by Haff
I think we will still get pick 13 from them. Just depends how much we have to give up.
Hoping we turn their first and Henry into pick 7 still.
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:10 pm
by Damien
Deja Vu wrote:I think Mitchell improves us more than Grundy.
I think we’ve all quickly forgotten how good he is cos we went without him all year. But I think he’s gone.
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:12 pm
by swoop42
Jackson is gone so unless Melbourne can convince a Lobb or Meek to nominate them as an option we now have some genuine bargaining power because as it stands Melbourne haven't fulfilled our requirement for a pick inside the top 25 for Grundy. We aren't the bad guy here.
As I see it they now have 4 options to choose from.
1. Seek out an alternative to Grundy.
2. Swap their pick 13 for our 16 as part of the deal.
3. Add a future 2nd round selection to sweeten the pot.
4. Reduce our yearly salary contribution by $100,000.
Hopefully Wright stands firm on the deals for both Grundy and Henry and either gets an improved offer or we walk away.
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:24 pm
by Johnno75
Mitchell doesn’t come if Grundy stays. I’m backing both trades get done also Frampton, not really sure on what happens with Fiorini.
Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 10:06 pm
by dalyc
Piesnchess wrote:Lone Ranger wrote:If Sam Weideman is looking for other oppurtunities, why dont we look at him as part of the trade for Grundy?
Pick 13, plus the Weed, yeh, I can live with that. As for Ollie, Geebung can get stuffed right royally.
He’s not that good.