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Is Erdogan really centre-right? I thought he was pretty far-right (in the Putin/Bolsonaro/Orban authoritarian model), to be honest.
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David wrote:Is Erdogan really centre-right? I thought he was pretty far-right (in the Putin/Bolsonaro/Orban authoritarian model), to be honest.
PTID is being particularly generous.
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I read somewhere that with him in charge, Turkey is no longer considered a democracy under several indicators including free and fair elections and freedom of the press. He's apparently been putting journos an opposition in gaol.
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stui magpie wrote:I read somewhere that with him in charge, Turkey is no longer considered a democracy under several indicators including free and fair elections and freedom of the press. He's apparently been putting journos an opposition in gaol.
In the Turkish context, he's far more moderate than you imagine. In fact, he started as a moderate hope, but then the economy slowed and he turned to the far right for votes, much like the Anglo-Americn right and Trump over his lifetime. Erdogan too hates fake news, bullies journalists, uses extremist rags to spread his views, and applies executive vetoes to resolve imaginary crises.

But no matter how far right you imagine he is, no one has the misjudgement to blame Turkish progressives for badgering Turkish extremism into existence. Like all fundamentalism it's just there, ready for an economic downturn or nationalist moment.
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Does Turkey even have any living progressives who aren't incarcerated or in exile?
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The analogy is startling though, isn't it? Trump simply has years of wealthy democracy around him.

Even the attempted bullying of New Zealand was reminisce of Trump's ranting and raving about making Mexico pay for a wall, and threatening it economically.
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When he does it on Twitter i'll acknowledge the similarities. :wink:
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Arden has announced changes to the NZ gun laws, but as they seem to being misreported, I'll hold fire on commenting in detail.

Despite reports they will ban all semi automatic weapons, it seems like the ban only applies to Military style ones which, under their definition (MSSA) leaves a fair loophole still potentially.

Not banning semi auto shotguns was sensible, but I'm unclear on rifles.

Still, regardless of whether she's gone far enough, she has spiked debate in the US. AOC made a comparison between the US 6 years after Sandy Hook and NZ a week after Christchurch.
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Cam wrote:People are radicalised by hate speech. Doesn't matter what colour or creed they are. It's hate speech that needs to be eliminated. 'Fighting back' means you just become what you are hating in the first place, a killer of innocents, a terror creator, a terror-ist.
Yes - and Nick's is making its own small contribution to that process. The racist Yiannopolous is not now allowed into Australia and Franus is told, repeatedly, by politicians from all sides (including One Notion) that his comments have no place in our political discourse but posts of that same general tenor are permitted here, over and over again. The Mods need to take a good hard look, lest the Feds ban this site.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/A ... 2014/4.pdf

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Here we go again. Muslim clerical anti-semtitism has no limits FFS:

"....Last Saturday, Ahmed Bhamji, chairman of the Mt Roskill Masjid E Umar, gave a speech at a rally for the victims in Auckland's Aotea Square.

In his speech, Bhamji said he suspected the gunman got his funding from Mossad and "Zionist business".

"I stand here and I say I have a very, very strong suspicion that there's some group behind him and I am not afraid to say I feel Mossad is behind this," he can be heard saying in video footage...."

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12217016

I heard the Mossad caused the selction committee to omit Greenwood from last weeks side against Geelong :roll:
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