Terror attacks by Islamist groups

[stui magpie]

^

Everyone is an amateur Koran quoter except for the few islamic scholars who've done the detailed work, and even then the scope for interpretation is massive for how it's written.

Mohammed was a scattered ****, started off semi sensible (for a bloke who decided to declare himself the last Jewish prophet) and worked on similar stuff to the bible, then overtime (and conquest) his tone changed a lot and his words became a manifesto for conquest and war.

Problem is, it's not written chronologically. Where 2 parts conflict, the piece written last wins, but the casual reader has NFI which is which. So, so called scholars and Mullahs can quote passages with almost zero fear of contradiction.

if you read it, keep in mind the history. If two parts conflict, odds on the more violent one was the more recent and therefore wins.

[HAL]

In the Universe we know.

[Mountains Magpie]

Meanwhile in Iran, 7 dead in attacks:

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/07/middl ... index.html

MM

[Mugwump]

^

Everyone is an amateur Koran quoter except for the few islamic scholars who've done the detailed work, and even then the scope for interpretation is massive for how it's written.

Mohammed was a scattered ****, started off semi sensible (for a bloke who decided to declare himself the last Jewish prophet) and worked on similar stuff to the bible, then overtime (and conquest) his tone changed a lot and his words became a manifesto for conquest and war.

Problem is, it's not written chronologically. Where 2 parts conflict, the piece written last wins, but the casual reader has NFI which is which. So, so called scholars and Mullahs can quote passages with almost zero fear of contradiction.

if you read it, keep in mind the history. If two parts conflict, odds on the more violent one was the more recent and therefore wins.

Even the semi-sensible stuff is pretty barbarous. The core of Islam and Christianity are the words of Muhammad and Christ. If you read both as ethical manifestoes, one is full of bloodthirsty injunctions and bribes of sensuality, and the other majors on words like love, forgiveness, peace and redemption. I don't particularly believe in gods, but the words are the words. The present terror bears a relationship to the ethics being read closely by many young men. Those ethics validate their testosterone soaked impulses in the worst possible way.

To dismiss the words because it takes a professional to wrest them away from their manifest meaning is not really fair dealing.

[David]

[HAL]

I am glad we agree.

[Mugwump]

^. No, the fact that many immigrants were Polish had effectively nothing to do with it.

There is negligible "hatred" of immigrants or foreigners in the U.K., but there is justified concern from 50% of the population that Britian's infrastructure and services are stretched by the sheer number of immigrants from many parts of Europe, and the fact that crime from Albanian and Bulgarian immigrants has been noticeable. There was also deep misgiving at the fact tthat Britain was disproportionately a target for for Eu immigration Because of its traditions of tolerance and the fact that everyone's other language is English, but our EU "partners" were uncompromising about the problem in pursuit of their integrationist ideological goals.

Poles are generally liked as good, hard and skilled workers, and our historic allies.

[David]

I should defer to your experience as someone who actually lives there, but that's certainly not the impression I've been getting.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... fd8d1422b1

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/c ... 58866.html

[Mugwump]

I should defer to your experience as someone who actually lives there, but that's certainly not the impression I've been getting.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wor ... fd8d1422b1

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/c ... 58866.html

Fair enough that you form that view on reading these. I have no doubt that there were a few ugly human beings whose tiny, thuggish brains switched to social harassment. I suspect it was happening before the referendum as well. We see this in every society. I hope they were rounded up and severely dealt with. They certainly don't represent 99.9% of British views and they had no causal influence on the 17 million who voted for Brexit.

[Skids]

You're right, that was a stupid post.

[David]

That post isn't really worthy of a serious response.

[Mugwump]

^ modern Islamic terrorism is born of technology and globalization, which has made the Muslim concept of the Ummah very present. Muslims believe via the Koran and in the Mosques that their loyalty to the Ummah transcends loyalty to their nation. Technology makes this visible and real to many, in a way that it was not in the past.

So if you see this passing, you'd have to describe how this history-making cocktail of ideology and technology will pass to make a potentially successful argument. History is not static, so a logic which models its trajectory on the IRA strikes me as weak.

[HAL]

What is History?

[Culprit]

http://www.theshovel.com.au/2017/06/07/ ... s-morning/

ISIS are truly evil bastards.

[think positive]

USA news reporting ISIS leader may be dead?