Melbourne CBD incident. 6 dead. Many more injured.

[Culprit]

We have a push now to deny bail when Police oppose bail. Great in theory but in practice we have the police oppose bail in every case especially where the defendant refuses to answer any questions which is their right. If we wish to deny bail in every case we better start building remand prisons and fast. In actual fact we should be building more prisons and prison farms.


http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/bourk ... twngl.html

A good article and pretty much on the money.

[HAL]

Do you think everyone will agree?

[think positive]

We have a push now to deny bail when Police oppose bail. Great in theory but in practice we have the police oppose bail in every case especially where the defendant refuses to answer any questions which is their right. If we wish to deny bail in every case we better start building remand prisons and fast. In actual fact we should be building more prisons and prison farms.


http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/bourk ... twngl.html

A good article and pretty much on the money.

well we need to create more jobs!!

[Culprit]

^^Prison led economic recovery. In saying that the cost to house one prisoner is $55000 (approx) per year and rising. We have privatised the prison system so companies like G4S are making a killing off the tax payer.

[think positive]

^^Prison led economic recovery. In saying that the cost to house one prisoner is $55000 (approx) per year and rising. We have privatised the prison system so companies like G4S are making a killing off the tax payer.

Jeeeeezus that's nuts, how much are bullets?

[Pies4shaw]

I think you're missing the point. Even if there were to be a reintroduction of capital punishment, most convicted criminals will not have committed crimes that would attract such extreme punishment. Thus, Culprit's conclusion is inescapable: a general reduction in bail means a general increase in the prison population. You mustn't allow your disapproval of this particular crime to cloud your thinking. Most things most criminals do are not as awful as this was.

[watt price tully]

^^Prison led economic recovery. In saying that the cost to house one prisoner is $55000 (approx) per year and rising. We have privatised the prison system so companies like G4S are making a killing off the tax payer.

Are you sure Culprit? $55K Sounds well under to me

[stui magpie]

^

Bingo.

I read or saw somewhere that this bloke was on bail for assaulting his mothers partner. No more details and Assault covers the spectrum from physical intimidation to beating the suitcase out of someone.

Even with the proposed changes, there's no guarantee he would not have been granted bail

[stui magpie]

[Skids]

[Culprit]

^^Prison led economic recovery. In saying that the cost to house one prisoner is $55000 (approx) per year and rising. We have privatised the prison system so companies like G4S are making a killing off the tax payer.

Are you sure Culprit? $55K Sounds well under to me

Actually I am way under as per 2014/15 figures it's $297.34 per day which is $108,000 per year approx. With 6219 Prisoners in the System that is $1,849,157.46 per day which is $674,942,472.90 per year. I would suggest that this is even higher WPT. So whilst we have the push to deny bail and parole at all costs, the fiscal ramifications are pretty clear.


http://www.corrections.vic.gov.au/utili ... +reference

[swoop42]

Those figures are such bullshit.

People survive and pay rent, bills, buy food and clothes all for $16,000 to $17,000 a year on welfare.

Even if you factor in the cost of wages once averaged out across all prisoners no way does it cost $108,000 a year per individual.

The answer isn't building more prisons it's to stop sending people to prison for short periods when in the past judges had the ability to impose suspended sentences alongside community service and supervision orders.

[think positive]

Or make people more accountable.

When little arewipes get into trouble for shit like graffiti, minor theft as kids, etc, the parents should pay for repairing the damage, and the kids should get some kind of community service as punishmen. Start young, I'm sure we are all having the round the dinner table discussion about what the hell has gone wrong? Why can you know longer sit home with the doors unlocked? Why do we all need security cameras and dash cams? Ie, why the hell are our jails so full?

Go to a shopping centre in a doing it hard area, and just watch a few future criminals in action. There is no discipline! They think they are owed the world.

As for the cost of Jail, put the prisoners to work. Teach them a trade, and make jails productive. They are in jail for punishment, make them earn their release.

[Culprit]

[think positive]

How about a system similar to life outside? Or what it used to be before respect became obsolete.

Give all prisoners jobs, let them work their way up. Start cleaning toilets, have workshops where inmates can build furniture, even if it's just assembling IKEA flatpacks for elderly, nursing homes, hospitals. Stuff that can be outsourced without being compromised. Reward those that work hard, do the right thing. And those that refuse get nought. No telly, just old books. Give gem not just physical skills but the change in attitude to want to keep it up when they get out.