Post Match. Tigers def. Pies - All comments please

[Culprit]

Unfortunately we have to all be positive as you will be deemed not a true club supporter by those who only love the positives. My positive comment is um hmmm um hmmm um OK, that is all.

[Number 35]

This is going to be tough.

12 wins gets you finals footy, with the week off inbetween season and finals anything is possible.

Only way i see us doing it is by grabbing 5 wins from now until mid-season whilst regaining important players. Wells Elliot DeGoey Greenwood Varcoe and Langdon will be essential, 6 important players. Elliot Varcoe Greenwood and Langdon may be ready for Swans. If we get 5 wins by mid-season and regain these guys i will be very happy. It will mean that 7 wins from our last 10 will make finals. The games i have targeted as our 5 must win games until mid-season are :
-R4 StKilda @ Etihad
-R5 Essendon @ the G, Huge game for Momentum and team spirit
-R7 Carlton @ the G, 125th anniversary. We must humiliate them
-R10 Brisbane @ the G
-R11 Fremantle away, Fremantle play Adelaide in Adel week before and we should be fresh from Lions. So must win.

If we win all our ( Must win games ) we will be 5-7. Which means Sydney, Geelong, GWS, Hawthorn and Melbourne are bonus games. I expect us to win at least one of these games. If we are 6-6 I think we can go on to finals from there. If we are 5-7 my feeling is we will painfully drop short of the 8 sealing Bucks's fate.

So in all honesty im not to worried if we lose to Swans as my 'mindsight' knows a Wells Elliot JDG Langdon Varcoe Greenwood Daicos/Kirby infused team will be Ok. So bring on the Swans and can we please have some big inclusions against the Swans. Given that Elliot Langdon Greenwood Varcoe should be pushing for selection and with Keefe Scharenberg Dunn and Daicos in the shadows in will be interesting.

Lets hope for a 22 like this against the Swans with a couple of their guys getting injured or reported tonight against the Dogs :

B Maynard Moore Howe
HB Langdon Reid Goldsack
C Varcoe Adams Steele
HF Fasolo White Greenwood
F Elliot Mayne Hoskin-Elliot
Foll Grundy Pendles Treloar
Int Broom Phillips Keefe Dunn

[think positive]

Mate we are supposed to be 'up and coming' or 'a good footy side' and you Feel the need to hope a couple of swans get hurt or reported?

Even that wouldn't help with what our team dished up last night.

I got nothin!

[DT]

We have 2 of the 4 lowest scores so far this season.

Mull over that for a while.

Those who know my posts over the past 10-15 years will know I have demanded front and centre players every other week. The same issue continues to rear its ugly head.

Didak wasn't a front sn centre player, he was a lead up player. Leon wasn't front and centre, he liked to jump from behind packs. Elliott isn't front and centre...he leads and leaps. Medhurst was the same. Brad Dick and Andrew Krakeuer were our only two classic front and centre players in the past decade. Blair leads. Fasolo leads. WHERE THE HELL ARE OURCFRONT & CENTRE PLAYERS???

And where are the key position tall forwards?

Hine? What the hell has he done? I questioned him about Josh Green, a free, cheap genuine crumbed. Nope. We have no crumbrrs around the ground. No crumbersxat any contest around the ground.

WHO THE HELL ALLOWED THIS LIST TO BE BUILT LIKE THIS???

[think positive]

We have 2 of the 4 lowest scores so far this season.

Mull over that for a while.

Those who know my posts over the past 10-15 years will know I have demanded front and centre players every other week. The same issue continues to rear its ugly head.

Didak wasn't a front sn centre player, he was a lead up player. Leon wasn't front and centre, he liked to jump from behind packs. Elliott isn't front and centre...he leads and leaps. Medhurst was the same. Brad Dick and Andrew Krakeuer were our only two classic front and centre players in the past decade. Blair leads. Fasolo leads. WHERE THE HELL ARE OURCFRONT & CENTRE PLAYERS???

Hine? What the hell has he done? I questioned him about Josh Green, a free, cheap genuine crumbed. Nope. We have no crumbrrs around the ground. No crumbersxat any contest around the ground.

WHO THE HELL ALLOWED THIS LIST TO BE BUILT LIKE THIS???

Yep. The robot team is complete, follow the leader to the planet in s far far away galaxy, where, quite obviously, footy is not no. 1 on the calander, menu, breaky list.

I said it til I was blue in the face last year, get Cloke back in there, build him up stop tearing him down, we need him to support Moore as he grows, but no, we let him go and got more, dudutdata midfileders. We could probably win at little athletics with them.

And I also said til the blue turned yellow with exhaustion, we need a defensive general. After last night I'm saying we need leadership on the field, for the love of god, let Pendles of the leash to win the Brownlow, and give me someone, a so so footballer but with heart, like maxy who isn't afraid to swipe someone on the head and say 'get over there now dickhead'. Take your politically correct shit, your leading teams, and everything else and get back to good raw football. Sidey, I've defended and defended and defended, last night you quit. Shame shame shame.

Just what the hell do they do at training? How does the most beautiful straight kick in the competition, I saw him kick a couple of weeks back during training, he can still do it every time, and yet only the newbies can kick anything like him? Even zpendles fumbled last night. Treloar looked wonky. Thank god for WHE, please please, don't ruin him. They need to do the school yard thing, line up boys, kick to each other, 10,20,50 times, and then handball it. Hell give them well done stickers at the end of it, but for gods sake, show them where the goals are.

[think positive]

The way they smashed us at centre clearances was disgraceful, considering Grundy was dominating the hitouts. As good as Pendles, Treloar, Adams and Sidey are, they collectively failed at their most important task. I honestly don't understand why we are so poor in this crucial part of the game.

As for our forward line, it's almost non existent. And don't get me started on our kicking inaccuracy.

I've been a Buckley supporter through and through but unless he can get this team to make an almighty turn around in form and start winning games, then it's inevitable he will lose his job. Who we'd get as his replacement is anybody's guess, and whether they'd do any better I wouldn't know. Right now I'm feeling gutted.

As good as Pendlebury is and Swan was they just don't have that same amount of c*** in them like the hawks did with Mitchell, Lewis and Hodge.

I'd back them to beat our boys most times because they were prepared to get down and dirty when it was really required in big games.

The bad boys play elsewhere now.

I totally agree.

[think positive]

I didn't bother to watch, but aside from getting nutted at the clearances, was there anything in Bucks's press conference that offered an explanation for this evenings abomination ?

Basically said we run out of fresh legs, last week took it out of us.
He said our effort was ok. ...that was true.
Pity about the game plan.

That's the problem. We expend so much effort to score goals, we can't play a full 120 minutes.

Our game plan is taxing and doesn't help our players whatsoever.

Exactly right, said the same thing to junior last night, how many easy over the top goals to the opposition get every week? Take away the three the dogs got, and we win. Every single time it got turned over up our end, they turn around and run home to nothing, no defence. And yet I hear everyone in the crowd say the same thing, me make it look so bloody hard! Every goal we get is ground out, blood spilled in the trenches, last night they looked like they couldn't be bothered getting down there, gees we are 2 weeks in, what did they spend summer doing? We haven't had a decent field kicker since 2011, watch the 2010 prelim, that first quarter, oh my god that was simply beautiful,

I don't believe for one minute our list is as bad as we are playing. They lack confidence, in themselves, their skills, each other. Are they scared of making a mistake if they step outside 'the plan'? It's like they don't want to get sent to the headmasters office.

[think positive]

We will be 0-5 after Anzac Day.

I'm still baffled that you can have 18 blokes in one half of the ground when your whole gameplan is to burst forward on a turnover and score. Dusty sat 20m out for a lot of the game tonight. Murphy and Stringer ran around the forward line unmanned last week. How can a coach not see that this is a deficiency in our gameplan? Before the season began, every journo was saying that this year the stay at home forward was going to break the game right open and bring the battle back to the traditional positions the ground. Did we not pay attention to this? Did we ignore it thinking that our gameplan would withstand this game changing tactic?

This this this

[think positive]

I guess Cloke wasn't to blame for our goal kicking woes after all. What do we do now? On a side note let me just say that as good as Pendles is he is just simply not captain material. Tonight I saw him pull out of more than one contest and he even ducked his head to phantom contact in another instance. It starts with the leadership on field as well as off, we know off field leadership is rotten, our on field leadership is on the nose too. We need mongrel in our leaders, we are TOO SOFT!

And this, thank god, it's not just me, im not really sure who is, mind you, it's been beaten out of em. Does anyone remember the way the backline would get together after an opposition goal and egg each other on, (or slap each other!) now they just walk back or point.

[think positive]

Back from the game and I haven't been as disappointed after a game for a long time.

The first half from both sides was horrible football. The skill level and decision making was as bad as I ever seen from 2 AFL sides.

For the second week in a row we cost ourselves the game by a) missing gimme shots at goal (four to five goals) and b) gifting Richmond goals through skill errors and terrible decision making (four to five goals). We lost by 19 points.

The Mayne miss after the sensational tackle on Rance in the 3rd quarter was the game changer. He kicks that goal from 15 metres out, we go 17 points up with all the momentum. He missed and they score the next two goals and the momentum was with them.

We struggled to run the game out following the six day break and a very physical and tough game against the Dogs. Whereas, the Tigers were coming off a 7 day break and an easy game on the body against the Blues.

In saying all that we should be beating Richmond no matter the circumstances.

This loss is not on Buckley, but on the players, who are professional athletes and are paid very well to do their job. However, I am not surprised on here that it is again all Buckley's fault. As I have said many times on this forum, coaches get too much credit when their team is winning and too much blame when their team is losing.

The players did not do their job properly tonight. They should be able to execute basic skills of kicking, handballing and decision making. They failed in all three elements tonight and a loss was the result. There was nothing wrong with game plan, but the execution by the players was 2 out of 10.

In conclusion, Jarryd Blair cannot play another game for the Collingwood Football Club. He has been a great servant, but the game has passed him by and I am sick and tired of playing 21 v 22 each week. We need to blood a youngster to take his place, as the youngster is the future of the club and Blair is not.

He should get a lot of blame, we've been losing the same way for 5 seasons and 2 games...

Hammer nail head.
He's lost the players, they have no idea what he wants, and the ones that do, won't stand up to him. Cloke did, look what happened there.

[think positive]

Yes. We are in trouble. Yes there is confusion and doubt in the air.

Yes. To a mind that tunes in and tunes off from game to game and socially chats footy. And yes to a mind that recycles the bulldust that David King says in the "war room" about Collingwood. Lets me remind you this is a Man who picked Collingwood for a flag with Lynch Young and Russel part of the 18. *Tisk*

To a mind that lives, eats, shits and breathes footy and doesnt get paid to heighten and build drama for the armchair viewers. It is a different outlook. Much different.

The Collingwood you see now is sitting around 60% strength based on my calculations both for Player and Position. For instance, "Boskin Hoskin" who has been deployed as a Wingman. A simple switch like Hoskin moving deep into the forward line as he is capable of kicking 2-5 goals a game, and Blair being omitted for De Goey can boost us up 5% in overall team strength.

Our realistic aim now Side-by-Side is to reach Half way point of the season with around a 50% win rate. Meaning we will be sitting at 6-6, all the while building our Team Strength indicator.

-Once the depth weaklings have their spots taken
( shadySchade horribleRamsay sickeningBlair PhillipsTheghost snapandhopeAish and 2small4defenseSmith )
-And they are replaced with proper players in ( Elliot Wells Greenwood DeGoey Dunn Langdon Scharenberg or Thomas )
-With the possibilty of finding some Magic and steel from VFL in (Keefe Mcarthy Daicos Brown or Kirby)

Then hopefully we can be sitting at 90-100% strength at midway point, looking something like this :

B- Maynard Dunn Howe
HB- Langdon Reid Moore
C- Varcoe Adams Wells
HF- Steele White Fasolo
F- Elliot Mayne Hoskin
Foll Grundy Pendles Treloar
Int: Daicos DeGoey Goldsack Greenwood

I want to see this team above come together
- Langdon offers a cool-head down back
- Dunns kicking ability will be important ( he has the ability to drive defence into attack ) and will be covered by Howe/Moore/Reid intercept ability
-Maynards toughness has him in, he will improve
-Moore can be a revelation hopefully down back and complement Howe and Reid, he also has a good pass
- Varcoe and Wells on the wings is a mouthwatering combination
- DeGoey Greenwood Daicos and Steele going threw midfield instead of Phillips Blair Crisp and Aish
- Goldscak and Mayne sharing the Manic Full Foward role to help maintain F50 pressure

This is a team that "IF" it comes together "Fingers Crossed" Could and most likely will go on a Big winning streak second half of the season. Once a we get the boys back and some momentum a lot of these games look very winnable, hopefully we will be 6-6 or at least 5-7
R14- Port Adelaide @ the G
R15- Hawthorn @ the G
R16- Essendon @ the G
R17- Gold Coast away
R18- West Coast @ Etihad
R19- Adelaide @ the G
R20- North @ Etihad
R21- Port Adelaide away
R22- Geelong @ the G
R23- Melbourne @ the G

We have a very potentially potent team do not be mistaken!! Shame it has misfired the last 2 weeks but together they will head to Sydney and Soon things will appear to be better, even if we lose to Swans, with Wells Greenwood and Elliot hopefully in by the time we play STK and maybe another suprise or two ill be confident to beat sainters bombers cats and blues setting up a Huge Showdown with the Giants.

FINALLY, and MOST importantly.
Last year was worse. Things will change. Loosing to Saints and Blues early destroyed us last season and the loss to Port at the G by 10goals. We have plenty of Fight left and Momentum shifts. We improved drastically in the second half of the season last year. And I have a strong feeling it will be the same this year, hopefully driving us into the finals as a Dangerous Darkhorse ready to wage War at the G.... I promise by the time we get to the end of Anzac Day. Each and everyone of you will see the LIGHT in the BLACK and WHITE....

P.S. Boskin Hoskin. The definition of the term Boskin is "Man of the Woods". He is the future of our Foward line, i have seen enough and Boskin and Co. will Storm Collingwood into the Finals this year.

With or Without Buckey.
As the year 20(17) maybe Scott Burns year

Remember the crazy mans words

Nice post, full of hope, I hope your right about burns, sooner rather than later, and I agree about WHE playing out of position, but that seems to be a Thang!

For the life of me though, I can't think of a team we will beat playing like we did last night. To be 6-6? Not a chance in hell.

By the way guys, you can all say 'while Blair gets a game" but Is that really the bench mark? I'm not going to bother defending him, but 1 player, 1 small wing/forward does not a team make or destroy.

bTW where is Keefe?

[BBHS]

It does feel like groundhog day again this season. The dam wall may burst next week against Sydney and just might be a 10 goal loss which would match the patterns of previous seasons where we battle for a couple of weeks then get blown out of the water randomly. The only difference being our list is currently relatively healthy. What the **** is going on at this club?

[derkd]

Having missed the entire second half of the match because of a power failure here on the Sunshine Coast due to the storms, I naturally have no idea what caused us to lose the game.

Still I have a few insights to offer. Broomhead has hardly had any match play in the last month. I would not have expected him to do very much in the second half. Moore I thought was very good in the first half and an improvement over his first match. My guess is that he didn't get much support in the second half. We need to play another tall in the forward line - dropping Cox made absolutely no sense at all to me. Starting Schade ahead of Dunn is another one of those risky selection moves that I just don't think you can afford to make this early in the season.

Losing the first two games of the season however is no great surprise to me. I watched the team train in November and they had about 10 players in rehab who couldn't train and of the new draftees, two were in rehab while one of the other ones was overweight. Plus we cut deeply into the list retiring a number of experienced players. So I'm just wondering why the great optimism amongst the supporters coming into the start of the season?

I'll just repeat what I said last year that the club is paying the price for poor recruitment between the years 2012-2014. We picked up one really great player in Grundy, while maybe one or two others from that period could still make it. We managed to get it right I think in the last couple of years with the players we recruited and I think Gubby Allan has accelerated the rejuvenation process of the list at the end of last year.

Unfortunately the recruitment process when you do get it right takes about three years to filter through to when you start to get payback. So I think our best years ahead are 2018 onwards. FWIW I did predict a 1-3, or 2-4 start to this season with improvement to occur from about the middle of the season. I don't think that will get us into the final 8 but I still feel we can win between 10 and 11 games.

Please don't give up on the team yet. I truly believe we are a team on the improve, not a team on the slide as a few people think around here. Once we get a few injured players back and we shuffle the team around a bit to put our best team on the park, wins will follow. We need to be patient. Calling for Buckley's head will achieve nothing.

What a sane, sensible post. No more need be said.

Good post, I understand what your saying and well articulated. And I for one have said Bucks stas till we cannot make the eight (or we do).

The worry is the quality of disposal we dont have enough injuries that it should be an excuse. We played better last year with a far greater injury list. It feels like we are back playing again as we did in 2013. A great coach finds a way to get a team working together and can "manufacturer" a win as i said many times before if Buckleyneeds a blue print look at what Malthouse achived in 2002 with a team of kids and discards.

Bucks needs to almost hit the reset button in as much as it seems whatever style it is that is being tried is either not working or has been too easily countered.

[derkd]

Having missed the entire second half of the match because of a power failure here on the Sunshine Coast due to the storms, I naturally have no idea what caused us to lose the game.

Still I have a few insights to offer. Broomhead has hardly had any match play in the last month. I would not have expected him to do very much in the second half. Moore I thought was very good in the first half and an improvement over his first match. My guess is that he didn't get much support in the second half. We need to play another tall in the forward line - dropping Cox made absolutely no sense at all to me. Starting Schade ahead of Dunn is another one of those risky selection moves that I just don't think you can afford to make this early in the season.

Losing the first two games of the season however is no great surprise to me. I watched the team train in November and they had about 10 players in rehab who couldn't train and of the new draftees, two were in rehab while one of the other ones was overweight. Plus we cut deeply into the list retiring a number of experienced players. So I'm just wondering why the great optimism amongst the supporters coming into the start of the season?

I'll just repeat what I said last year that the club is paying the price for poor recruitment between the years 2012-2014. We picked up one really great player in Grundy, while maybe one or two others from that period could still make it. We managed to get it right I think in the last couple of years with the players we recruited and I think Gubby Allan has accelerated the rejuvenation process of the list at the end of last year.

Unfortunately the recruitment process when you do get it right takes about three years to filter through to when you start to get payback. So I think our best years ahead are 2018 onwards. FWIW I did predict a 1-3, or 2-4 start to this season with improvement to occur from about the middle of the season. I don't think that will get us into the final 8 but I still feel we can win between 10 and 11 games.

Please don't give up on the team yet. I truly believe we are a team on the improve, not a team on the slide as a few people think around here. Once we get a few injured players back and we shuffle the team around a bit to put our best team on the park, wins will follow. We need to be patient. Calling for Buckley's head will achieve nothing.

What a sane, sensible post. No more need be said.

Good post, I understand what your saying and well articulated. And I for one have said Bucks stas till we cannot make the eight (or we do).

The worry is the quality of disposal we dont have enough injuries that it should be an excuse. We played better last year with a far greater injury list. It feels like we are back playing again as we did in 2013. A great coach finds a way to get a team working together and can "manufacturer" a win as i said many times before if Buckleyneeds a blue print look at what Malthouse achived in 2002 with a team of kids and discards.

Bucks needs to almost hit the reset button in as much as it seems whatever style it is that is being tried is either not working or has been too easily countered.

[think positive]

He's had five years to figure that out, he doesn't get it, he thinks he's right,

For gods sake we won a premiership, then nearly did it again, and now we are a dogs dinner. This was a massive massive massive failure. I'm sick of this shit that we were going down anyway, bullshit, fill the gaps, both hawthorn and Geelong did it, I'd give your left ball for us to have at least 1 more premiership out of that team, and we bloody well should have had it.