Nick's Collingwood Bulletin Board

Swoop do you have any idea how many live picks the Saints and GWS have to use?

^^You're really big on downgrading our first pick. I think this is usually not very smart. Even if players are fairly even, it's always better to get the one you most like.

If we were doing any deals it would be more likely that we're looking to give up two picks for one, as we don't have many spots on the list.

jdpie1970 wrote:Swoop do you have any idea how many live picks the Saints and GWS have to use?

No sorry.

That requires to much effort.

All I know is that the saints appeared open to moving on pick 1 for two early selections.

Of course GWS could do the trade without us just thinking the saints might have preferred back to back selections and giving up pick 1 for two top 5 selections is easier to sell to there supporters.

Hell if we came out of it with 6 and 21 or 7 and 22 I'd be happy.

Failing that keep 5 and look to upgrade pick 30 by a few places as suggested in another thread if we don't need to be using 48.

AN_Inkling wrote:^^You're really big on downgrading our first pick. I think this is usually not very smart. Even if players are fairly even, it's always better to get the one you most like.

If we were doing any deals it would be more likely that we're looking to give up two picks for one, as we don't have many spots on the list.

You're assuming Hine has a clear preference for one player over others at 5.

I'm assuming if he had 3 or so clumped together equally he'd be open to upgrading our second round pick quite a bit.

Your discounting of moving back a few places with pick 5 would be working in reverse with our second round selection and in our favour.

Every chance the mix of talent taken at 7 and 22 would be better than 5 and 30.

Anyway what shall be will be. I'm not to fussed either way just like discussing and exploring options available to us.

I understand what you're saying. Our first pick is crucial though. We need to give ourselves the maximum chance of picking an elite. If there are three players that are all really close together, I still want the one that Hine rates best on draft day.*/-

swoop42 wrote:A lot of if's here but let's say this occurs:

Coll 5, 30 to Saints

Saints pick 22 to Coll

GWS pick 4 to Saints

GWS pick 7 to Coll

Saints pick 1 to GWS

We lose 5,30
We gain 7,22

Saints lose 1, 22
Saints gain 4,5,30

GWS lose 4,7
GWS gain 1

There are other combinations that would benefit us more just taking the minimum option as a starting point.

Throw in 48 somewhere and let us come out of it with picks 4 and 22.

As you know, I'd be happy to end up with 4 and 40 or 41(Saints), even if we have to give up the extra pick(48 ).

This is not good news for your deal - http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/s ... 7091487454

I'd be satisfied with the Harvey suggestion of pick 30, 48 for 26.

I doubt we'll be using 48 on anything more than a Frost upgrade anyway and that can come at a later pick.

We'd be dumb to not at least inquire if that was our intention.

swoop42 wrote:I'd be satisfied with the Harvey suggestion of pick 30, 48 for 26.

I doubt we'll be using 48 on anything more than a Frost upgrade anyway and that can come at a later pick.

We'd be dumb to not at least inquire if that was our intention.

There might be other options for that deal too. Like Essendon's pick 20. It'd be a bit of a stretch for them to take a 10 pick downgrade just for 48, but they will probably need extra players next season, so maybe. Might be a chance to get in on the Ryder deal somehow.

Saints have 21 and 22, Melbourne 23 and North have 25 from Greenwood, though they've probably already turned down 30/48 instead.

I expect Hine is going through all these options. Someone should bite.

Maybe we can get 29.

Well I guess whoever had pick 30 in 2008 wish they had 29.

Every little bit counts.

Still I think I'd rather just delist someone and take 48 to the draft.

Probably a few types that fill a need more than a player or two currently on our list at that pick.

If the Suns get someone as good as Beams at 29 in this draft I'll be pretty surprised. Though I suppose that's true every year.

Carlton(pick 28 ) and GCS(29) seem to have brought in extra players anyway, with the scum's 2 for 1 deal and the Suns getting Malceski and having 2 first rounders. They probably aren't interested in an extra pick.

swoop42 wrote:Well I guess whoever had pick 30 in 2008 wish they had 29.

That's the reason I mentioned it, for its irony. It wasn't sarcasm towards the other suggested deals.