2 Terrible Eddie's Captain Calls

[Dawesy31]

Disgusting thread. Also, Gubby was brought in by Pert, not Eddie. Absolutely sick to death of the Eddie bashers

[John Wren]

I'll argue the other way Dave.
Eddie brought us Mick Malthouse
Eddie was behind our move to the MCG
Eddie was behind our top notch sponsors Emirates, Lexus, Holden etc
Eddie got us the 14 MCG game deal & the Ponny Social club

I could go on Dave. Why focus on two of Ed's moves that will probably turn out to be works of genius anyway? We are on the rise after a few tough years and Gabby Allan will prove to be the hard head in our footy department that we need.

Calm down and save your energy for the VFL Pies!

Plus..getting MM
Negative.. going to MCG the place is to big for us.
Neutral... getting those sponsors ..useless to me the supporter
Negative ..social club at westpac is a complete dud
So Neil it would be a good intellectual discussion about all the other Ed initiatives.

on some of your points:

mcg - is this referring to the playing surface or venue capacity? imagine if etihad was our home ground? there's more disenchantment with this ground than the mcg.

sponsors - pretty useful to keeping the club alive i would have thought. i am sure we have a lot of wealthy supporters who would benefit drom having emirates as a sponsor.

social club - neither here nor there. clubs need to evolve. the old fashioned social club is almost a relic of the past.

[ad4eva]

Eddie is a visionary. The appointment of Bucks to succeed MM was the first of its kind in this competition. Other clubs have since followed. MM was on his way out at the time of appointment, mentally and physically which is where this came about.

MM had sour grapes at the end of a deal which HE agreed to. Sure Bucks may not be successful, but no appointment of any coach is assured. Id hardly call it a fail.

On the Gubby front, I doubt Eddie knew anything about it.

[RudeBoy]

Just to correct Neil Appleby, the move to the MCG was engineered by Alan McAlister, not Eddie.

The move from Vic Park to Olympic Park was engineered by Eddie.

[droversdog65]

I was never a MM Fan.

Dave, think about it for a minute. Two premierships since 1958. MM won one of them. Eleven years at the helm. Finals in 2002, 2003, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 including four GF appearances. Yet you were "never a fan".

Do you think your judgement about coaches is something you might want to question ?

Forever grateful to MM for '10 but it needs to be balanced with his actions since.

Signed on for a deal brokered by Eddie to save his skin after no flag in 9 years - he was GONE if the board had got it's way - but Eddie stuck by him and saved his bacon - and then got stabbed in the heart for his trouble.

Mick thought that winning the flag in '10 gave him the right to play god and when Eddie refused to knuckle under Malthouse did the dog.

Going on the biggest footy show in the country on the eve of the '11 finals series and publicly tearing into the club because he couldn't get his own way was the act of a vindictive and spiteful turd.

A good coach who specialized in bringing kids on and list building but who was divisive and vindictive.

Some here believe success makes all else forgivable but not this little black duck.

Cut my club and I bleed, since 1964 I've lived and breathed Collingwood.

Thank you Mick for our flag in '10 but publicly tearing into the club whilst still head coach, going to the scum out of pure spite and the relentless sniping in the media ever since is utterly unforgiveable

[RudeBoy]

Pert claims the Allan appointment was his call.

[thompsoc]

I'll argue the other way Dave.
Eddie brought us Mick Malthouse
Eddie was behind our move to the MCG
Eddie was behind our top notch sponsors Emirates, Lexus, Holden etc
Eddie got us the 14 MCG game deal & the Ponny Social club

I could go on Dave. Why focus on two of Ed's moves that will probably turn out to be works of genius anyway? We are on the rise after a few tough years and Gabby Allan will prove to be the hard head in our footy department that we need.

Calm down and save your energy for the VFL Pies!

Plus..getting MM
Negative.. going to MCG the place is to big for us.
Neutral... getting those sponsors ..useless to me the supporter
Negative ..social club at westpac is a complete dud
So Neil it would be a good intellectual discussion about all the other Ed initiatives.

on some of your points:

mcg - is this referring to the playing surface or venue capacity? imagine if etihad was our home ground? there's more disenchantment with this ground than the mcg.

sponsors - pretty useful to keeping the club alive i would have thought. i am sure we have a lot of wealthy supporters who would benefit drom having emirates as a sponsor.

social club - neither here nor there. clubs need to evolve. the old fashioned social club is almost a relic of the past.

Sadly the mcg is too big for most but not all of our matches.
The crowds aren't going to come back full stop.
This is not just a collingwood problem it is an AFL problem.
There is a need for a 3rd stadium that brings back a more suburban ground feel.
As for the sponsors it wouldn't be hard to sell them collingwood.
It is a socialist competition in the main so with the media rights the income
from the sponsors isn't a huge deal or a game changer.
So the social club is a relic of the past.
JW football is about one thing and one thing only.
It is tribal!
A decent social, a decent cheer squad, a decent connection to the club is all important.
Even Nixs is important to the club as it helps to bind a tribal identity amongst people.
What I don't like about Eddie is that i think he has spent too much time making collingwood a corporate identity and not a tribal identity.
That is not a criticism only my personal slant.

[RudeBoy]

Plus..getting MM
Negative.. going to MCG the place is to big for us.
Neutral... getting those sponsors ..useless to me the supporter
Negative ..social club at westpac is a complete dud
So Neil it would be a good intellectual discussion about all the other Ed initiatives.

on some of your points:

mcg - is this referring to the playing surface or venue capacity? imagine if etihad was our home ground? there's more disenchantment with this ground than the mcg.

sponsors - pretty useful to keeping the club alive i would have thought. i am sure we have a lot of wealthy supporters who would benefit drom having emirates as a sponsor.

social club - neither here nor there. clubs need to evolve. the old fashioned social club is almost a relic of the past.

Sadly the mcg is too big for most but not all of our matches.
The crowds aren't going to come back full stop.
This is not just a collingwood problem it is an AFL problem.
There is a need for a 3rd stadium that brings back a more suburban ground feel.
As for the sponsors it wouldn't be hard to sell them collingwood.
It is a socialist competition in the main so with the media rights the income
from the sponsors isn't a huge deal or a game changer.
So the social club is a relic of the past.
JW football is about one thing and one thing only.
It is tribal!
A decent social, a decent cheer squad, a decent connection to the club is all important.
Even Nixs is important to the club as it helps to bind a tribal identity amongst people.
What I don't like about Eddie is that i think he has spent too much time making collingwood a corporate identity and not a tribal identity.
That is not a criticism only my personal slant.

I had to read your post 3 times thomsoc to be sure I understood it, because I agree with it.

[thompsoc]

See rudeboy ...it is all about the tribe.
Bit like a family even though they have a ding dong every day.
It is what families do!

[John Wren]

Plus..getting MM
Negative.. going to MCG the place is to big for us.
Neutral... getting those sponsors ..useless to me the supporter
Negative ..social club at westpac is a complete dud
So Neil it would be a good intellectual discussion about all the other Ed initiatives.

on some of your points:

mcg - is this referring to the playing surface or venue capacity? imagine if etihad was our home ground? there's more disenchantment with this ground than the mcg.

sponsors - pretty useful to keeping the club alive i would have thought. i am sure we have a lot of wealthy supporters who would benefit drom having emirates as a sponsor.

social club - neither here nor there. clubs need to evolve. the old fashioned social club is almost a relic of the past.

Sadly the mcg is too big for most but not all of our matches.
The crowds aren't going to come back full stop.
This is not just a collingwood problem it is an AFL problem.
There is a need for a 3rd stadium that brings back a more suburban ground feel.
As for the sponsors it wouldn't be hard to sell them collingwood.
It is a socialist competition in the main so with the media rights the income
from the sponsors isn't a huge deal or a game changer.
So the social club is a relic of the past.
JW football is about one thing and one thing only.
It is tribal!
A decent social, a decent cheer squad, a decent connection to the club is all important.
Even Nixs is important to the club as it helps to bind a tribal identity amongst people.
What I don't like about Eddie is that i think he has spent too much time making collingwood a corporate identity and not a tribal identity.
That is not a criticism only my personal slant.

i don't disagree with any of this. i take your point on the tribal aspect and think what is missing is the connection to the club. it is slowly being eroded by the corporate palava that many are disenfranchised about.

the other day, i had a great chat with a couple of blokes who have a connection to collingwood about how do we strengthen the ties between the supporters, the club and its history. there is a disconnect of sorts that needs to be resolved.

[think positive]

True that, one call yo the membership hotline shows that! They don't care it's all about the numbers

[thompsoc]

JW to be honest I don't know how it can be fixed.
You know when I go to the footy I sometimes look around
and I see more people are on their phones than actually watching
the game.
It is just weird.
I grew up in Echuca and I remember when that team beat a Bendigo
team to win the 1967 flag.
The whole town turned out to meet them that night.
Trainloads of supporters went down to Bendigo to watch the match.
The local Italian fruit shop owner dressed up his fruit truck and drove it
around Bendigo all that pre game morning
The locals didn't appreciate it because at the centre of his outlandish display
was a gallows with an effigy of a south bendigo player dangling off the hangman's noose.
So little passion these days.

[MJ23]

I was never a MM Fan.

Dave, think about it for a minute. Two premierships since 1958. MM won one of them. Eleven years at the helm. Finals in 2002, 2003, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011 including four GF appearances. Yet you were "never a fan".

Do you think your judgement about coaches is something you might want to question ?

Forever grateful to MM for '10 but it needs to be balanced with his actions since.

Signed on for a deal brokered by Eddie to save his skin after no flag in 9 years - he was GONE if the board had got it's way - but Eddie stuck by him and saved his bacon - and then got stabbed in the heart for his trouble.

Mick thought that winning the flag in '10 gave him the right to play god and when Eddie refused to knuckle under Malthouse did the dog.

Going on the biggest footy show in the country on the eve of the '11 finals series and publicly tearing into the club because he couldn't get his own way was the act of a vindictive and spiteful turd.

A good coach who specialized in bringing kids on and list building but who was divisive and vindictive.

Some here believe success makes all else forgivable but not this little black duck.

Cut my club and I bleed, since 1964 I've lived and breathed Collingwood.

Thank you Mick for our flag in '10 but publicly tearing into the club whilst still head coach, going to the scum out of pure spite and the relentless sniping in the media ever since is utterly unforgiveable

+1

Have to look at a legacy left behind as well. A bit of a pattern both at eagles and pies.

[Darkstranger]

Here are 2 of the Real Bad Eddie's Captain Calls

1: The Coaches Swap from MM to Bucks. Yes we did win the 2010 Flag but it has been Downhill ever since. Just keep going down the ladder and winning Less and Less Games. Had not worked at all

2: Brining in Gubby. Sounded like a Great Idea but now we learn he is right in the Middle of a Massive Drug Scandal. Did Ed know about this? So we could lost him for 2-4.

So that could be 2 Massive Stuff Ups where Ed has Done what he went by himself

I just thought I landed in 2011 again???? Dave get a job mate.

[WhyPhilWhy?]

there is a disconnect of sorts that needs to be resolved.

This