Trump abandons the Kurds

[pietillidie]

I will pick you up on the Japan/Korea one though as you've misread my intention.

Korea was removed from Japan in that it was taken off them, out of their control. It was considered their possession, it was removed from them. Now that may have had the effect of removing Japanese influence and people from Korea, but my statement remains true,

I knew what you meant, but your wording was sloppy in a manner which would incense Koreans, something we've just discussed.

Your casual dismissal of the rights of the inhabitants of Palestine on the basis of the shifting sands of time is similarly sloppy, as if you'd be all good if the shoe was on the other foot. Midnight Oil might write a song one day about your own continuity of possession

This is what I mean about dismissing and minimising remote happenings from the comforts of one's living room. It's human enough, but once you're aware of that the idea is surely to aim for an intellectual fairness.

[pietillidie]

Palestine is the Holy Land and should be returned to the Crusader Orders immediately.

Shoe, other foot, etc.

[watt price tully]

Not quite. The creation of Israel required the forcible evacuation of the substantial Palestinian population ......).

Language David language.

The creation of the State of Israel did not require any forced evacuation of anybody.

After the independent state of Israel was created in 1948 alongside a state for Arabs (neither to be exclusive of ethnic populations) the Arabs rejected the United Nations declaration / vote. The neighbouring Arabs chose war. They lost, as they did in 1948, 1967 & 1973.

In the 1948 war, it is true that Arabs were forcibly evicted (most), were encouraged to leave by their own and left on their own volition (least)

Arabs we now call Palestinian, were not forcibly removed as a ”requirement”. That simple misuse of language serves to obfuscate & distort history especially a war started by the Arabs.

[stui magpie]

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Nice work WPT.

It is interesting how history can be distorted to suit people's beliefs.

And Ptiddy, The Aboriginals have over 50,000 years of continuous possession of this Island compared to a few hundred for those who are now called "Palestinians" so you can guess which case I think has merit.

[pietillidie]

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Nice work WPT.

It is interesting how history can be distorted to suit people's beliefs.

And Ptiddy, The Aboriginals have over 50,000 years of continuous possession of this Island compared to a few hundred for those who are now called "Palestinians" so you can guess which case I think has merit.

The point was about empathy and fairness given your own lack of continuity of possession in contrast to indigenous Australians. That went through to the keeper, apparently.

[stui magpie]

Yeah, well the point is moot as WPT has qualified that no one was dispossessed.

[pietillidie]

[David]

[stui magpie]

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Who started the war?

[pietillidie]

Again, back to Trump, the abandonment of the Kurds lacks any justification, idiotic references to Normandy and populist drivel about war notwithstanding. The only respectable response in an inextricably-linked world is to accept complexity, maintain multilateral perspective, protect the vulnerable where necessary, and wedge against the corrupt abuse of war from without and within. Those who critique the inevitable difficulty and imperfection of this endeavour are opportunistic moral gnats.

In order to maintain a pretence for the benefit of himself, Trump has abandoned a vulnerable group even as he signs off on arms sales, environmental destruction, deals with oppressors, and other interventions with gay abandon. But we already knew he was a fraudulent amoral grandiose narcissist well beyond the norm of the average shabby politician.

[pietillidie]

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Who started the war?

The callous, remote colonials who in their usual custom made god-like decisions without consideration of three decades of forthright vehement opposition, an open, clearly-stated threat of war on the implementation of such actions, and above all real lives, perspectives and emotions beyond the colonial ivory tower.

[stui magpie]

And at the end of the day, it boils down to this.

The Jews have one place to call their own. The Muslims have many.

All the bullshit about the poor Palestinians would result in the Muslims having many plus 1 more and the Jews having zero.

How bout just phuck off and let them have their small piece of dirt.

[pietillidie]

[watt price tully]

[Skids]

It wouldn't matter what they had or where they camped, they're all nut jobs and will keep on fighting until the end of time.