Recreational cyclists

[David]

I think it's perfectly reasonable not to accept the money from McGuire. If he has a case, then it's within his rights for it to be heard by court and for a fair verdict to be handed down. A trillionaire (or whatever) like McGuire paying (another trillionaire) Warne's money misses the point.

[stui magpie]

Does it matter who's paying if all he wants is his wheel fixed?

The only reason for going to court is "principle".

[Nick - Pie Man]

Exactly. The reprehensible motorist needs to be punished, celebrity cricketer or no.

[watt price tully]

Ed's logic was all it's going to do is stir up more bad feeling between motorists and cyclists, which isn't needed. He said if the bloke wanted $1500 for his wheel, he'd pay it.

Unfortunately, by making the offer and the bloke seeming to decline it over wanting to go to court, it's only going to cast more doubts on his motives.

Bloke seems like a professional victim who wants to prove a point.

Bingo!

And why not stir up a bit more angst between motorists and cyclists?
Only way the government will act and bring cyclists to account for their actions.

Que?

The court case here is being taken by the cyclist who claim he was hit by Warne.

First you said you were waiting for he evidence providing the number of days he hadn't said anything or shown the court of B_W evidence on Nicks.

Now the cyclist is taking legal action through his lawyer with a witness acc to reports in the HS. He has put up, paying money to go to court. Then you blame him for "putting up" i.e. taking the action to show his proof. You seem to want it both ways.

Does the bicycle rider have the right to take legal action if he has been run over by Warne as he claimed resulting in damage to his bike?. Warne came out blaming cyclists in this whole saga.

You asked for proof & the bicyclist in question has now provided it. Car drivers cannot be allowed to deliberately hit cyclists even if your name is Shane Warne.

Why should Warne or anyone be allowed to get away with endangering a bicycle rider?

[watt price tully]

Does it matter who's paying if all he wants is his wheel fixed?

The only reason for going to court is "principle".

The major reason. But a damn good reason I would have thought if he was deliberately hit by Warne.

[watt price tully]

In the last few days I've yelled out to two bicycle riders who have gone through red lights. The first one was a guy who asked what my problem was! Another two cyclist near me were really pissed off with the rule breaker
When I caught up with him a block or two up the road I simply said your giving bicycle riders a bad name when we need to be more vigilant about our road behaviour. No response

The second was 2 nights ago was a female cyclist. I said the same thing "your giving cyclists a bad name" she said she wasn't a cyclist! I said this is not difficult, don't go through red lights.

[Collingwood 4 eternity]

In the last few days I've yelled out to two bicycle riders who have gone through red lights. The first one was a guy who asked what my problem was! Another two cyclist near me were really pissed off with the rule breaker
When I caught up with him a block or two up the road I simply said your giving bicycle riders a bad name when we need to be more vigilant about our road behaviour. No response

The second was 2 nights ago was a female cyclist. I said the same thing "your giving cyclists a bad name" she said she wasn't a cyclist! I said this is not difficult, don't go through red lights.

What I don't understand is the fascination and such disdain that cyclist are held in.

Don't take this the wrong way WPT but would you really waste your time yelling at every pedestrian that walked against a red light ?

Yep the cyclists are D heads for running the red lights , but one day their luck will run out one way or another , meanwhile the Vic road toll is , despite a massive police Christmas / New Year campaign , 12 more dead than at the same time as last year.

Cars cause and kill more that any cyclist will ever do , but drivers sem to be more immune to this than cyclists

You could fill a Hard drive of recordings of pedestrians at any intersection in Melbourne pressing the button then walking when the little man is still red , but the traffic gets stopped for no one , surely that would P15s of drivers more than a cyclist running a red light.

For some reason cyclists are the blame for more driver angst than driver v driver v truck driver v taxi angst.

I just don't get it ?

[Black_White]

Ed's logic was all it's going to do is stir up more bad feeling between motorists and cyclists, which isn't needed. He said if the bloke wanted $1500 for his wheel, he'd pay it.

Unfortunately, by making the offer and the bloke seeming to decline it over wanting to go to court, it's only going to cast more doubts on his motives.

Bloke seems like a professional victim who wants to prove a point.

Bingo!

And why not stir up a bit more angst between motorists and cyclists?
Only way the government will act and bring cyclists to account for their actions.

Que?

The court case here is being taken by the cyclist who claim he was hit by Warne.

First you said you were waiting for he evidence providing the number of days he hadn't said anything or shown the court of B_W evidence on Nicks.

Now the cyclist is taking legal action through his lawyer with a witness acc to reports in the HS. He has put up, paying money to go to court. Then you blame him for "putting up" i.e. taking the action to show his proof. You seem to want it both ways.

Does the bicycle rider have the right to take legal action if he has been run over by Warne as he claimed resulting in damage to his bike?. Warne came out blaming cyclists in this whole saga.

You asked for proof & the bicyclist in question has now provided it. Car drivers cannot be allowed to deliberately hit cyclists even if your name is Shane Warne.

Why should Warne or anyone be allowed to get away with endangering a bicycle rider?

Idiot.
He is taking CIVIL action.
For no more reason than to make a bucket load. His ambulance chaser will be telling him so.
He has been offered compensation for his wheel. A wheel easily damaged by himself after the event.
Any criminal blame can only be apportioned by a criminal court.
Why has he not waited for, or taken the decision of, the police in this matter? They are the one's who can decide if his "witness" can be relied upon in a real court of law to make a criminal claim stick.
Now, let us get to the "witness" report. What the hell happened to his original claim of "video and photo's" of the incident as it occurred? Now we have his hippee friend "swearing" that all this happened.
I'm hoping the defense can bring up his original statement to the internet that he had "video and photo's". That alone would show him up as a money hungry liar.
So yes, I am still asking for the PROOF that the cyclist claimed he had.
He has been offered compensation for his bike. He has suffered no injury, as he has no medical PROOF of this.
The question remains, why continue with a civil case if, as he clearly stated on videotape broadcast on 7 news 31st of January 2012, that all he wants is a new wheel?
Is he a champion of the cycling community? Is he furthering the cause of cycling? No, he is furthering the cause of his own bank balance. Would he even be doing this if the "attacker" was anyone but a rich celebrity?
The one thing I take from this is that if cyclists were made to register their "very expensive" wheels, Warne would have been able to supply the police with an identification number at his initial complaint and this would not have had to be played out on the interwebs.
Food for thought.

[David]

Surely this will all be sorted out in the courtroom. No 'PROOF' will probably mean no money. On the other hand, I presume that if he has video and photos he will have them used as evidence there.

I have enough faith in our legal system to work this out.

[Black_White]

David, it's a civil court. Picked simply as the burden of proof is much less than a criminal court.
The civil court cannot find Warns guilty of a criminal act worthy of conviction. It cannot record a conviction or sentence him for this "crime".
I would have more faith in a criminal court.
The legal system you have so much faith in is being manipulated.
To be happy with this manipulation is to take us one step closer to becoming a mini USofA.

[watt price tully]

Ed's logic was all it's going to do is stir up more bad feeling between motorists and cyclists, which isn't needed. He said if the bloke wanted $1500 for his wheel, he'd pay it.

Unfortunately, by making the offer and the bloke seeming to decline it over wanting to go to court, it's only going to cast more doubts on his motives.

Bloke seems like a professional victim who wants to prove a point.

Bingo!

And why not stir up a bit more angst between motorists and cyclists?
Only way the government will act and bring cyclists to account for their actions.

Que?

The court case here is being taken by the cyclist who claim he was hit by Warne.

First you said you were waiting for he evidence providing the number of days he hadn't said anything or shown the court of B_W evidence on Nicks.

Now the cyclist is taking legal action through his lawyer with a witness acc to reports in the HS. He has put up, paying money to go to court. Then you blame him for "putting up" i.e. taking the action to show his proof. You seem to want it both ways.

Does the bicycle rider have the right to take legal action if he has been run over by Warne as he claimed resulting in damage to his bike?. Warne came out blaming cyclists in this whole saga.

You asked for proof & the bicyclist in question has now provided it. Car drivers cannot be allowed to deliberately hit cyclists even if your name is Shane Warne.

Why should Warne or anyone be allowed to get away with endangering a bicycle rider?

Idiot.
He is taking CIVIL action.
For no more reason than to make a bucket load. His ambulance chaser will be telling him so.
He has been offered compensation for his wheel. A wheel easily damaged by himself after the event.
Any criminal blame can only be apportioned by a criminal court.
Why has he not waited for, or taken the decision of, the police in this matter? They are the one's who can decide if his "witness" can be relied upon in a real court of law to make a criminal claim stick.
Now, let us get to the "witness" report. What the hell happened to his original claim of "video and photo's" of the incident as it occurred? Now we have his hippee friend "swearing" that all this happened.
I'm hoping the defense can bring up his original statement to the internet that he had "video and photo's". That alone would show him up as a money hungry liar.
So yes, I am still asking for the PROOF that the cyclist claimed he had.
He has been offered compensation for his bike. He has suffered no injury, as he has no medical PROOF of this.
The question remains, why continue with a civil case if, as he clearly stated on videotape broadcast on 7 news 31st of January 2012, that all he wants is a new wheel?
Is he a champion of the cycling community? Is he furthering the cause of cycling? No, he is furthering the cause of his own bank balance. Would he even be doing this if the "attacker" was anyone but a rich celebrity?
The one thing I take from this is that if cyclists were made to register their "very expensive" wheels, Warne would have been able to supply the police with an identification number at his initial complaint and this would not have had to be played out on the interwebs.
Food for thought.

He is taking legal action. You seem to be the only one who wants to criminalise things.

You ask the cyclist to put or shut up goading him with where is the proof?
He has put up by taking civil proceedings. He is asking for $15,000 & legals to call that money hungry you need your head read. It a dumb accusation to make.

That is a small amount of money. I'm surprised at your histrionic rants about this bloke.

He is no hero as you state of the cycling community. Just like Shane Warne is no hero to the "driving "community. You seem to want to perpetuate an artificial divide.

He is allowed under law to make the claim - you seem to want to deny him this right - you attribute motives to him that you've basically made up because he has put up & has dared to do thing differently to what you had prescribed for him. Any deviation from your way of perceiving how he should go about it is only met with mendacious motives. The cyclist is not beholden to you (fortunately). As you said if the Police want to take criminal action let them. This don't stop him exercising his full rights.

You label his lawyer an ambulance chaser only to smear him. That's just name calling and convenient.

Like I said earlier you seem to be in denial.

His lawyer said they will settle with a guilty plea & the monies stated (at least going by the HS)

Personally I hope he goes all the way & wins a case for the principle that cars cannot hit cyclists. This - after all, is at the heart of the matter for me & most people I would have thought.

The cyclist has put up a lot more than you indicated he would from the outset. Civil or criminal is utterly irrelevant. What is important & vital is to reinforce the notion that drivers are not allowed to hit cyclists. The Vic state premier Ted of course has no interest in registration for cyclists.

I don't need to call you an idiot or use capitals, please refrain. We can argue the case & put each other down in smarter ways than that, Captain obvious.

[watt price tully]

In the last few days I've yelled out to two bicycle riders who have gone through red lights. The first one was a guy who asked what my problem was! Another two cyclist near me were really pissed off with the rule breaker
When I caught up with him a block or two up the road I simply said your giving bicycle riders a bad name when we need to be more vigilant about our road behaviour. No response

The second was 2 nights ago was a female cyclist. I said the same thing "your giving cyclists a bad name" she said she wasn't a cyclist! I said this is not difficult, don't go through red lights.

What I don't understand is the fascination and such disdain that cyclist are held in.

Don't take this the wrong way WPT but would you really waste your time yelling at every pedestrian that walked against a red light ?

Yep the cyclists are D heads for running the red lights , but one day their luck will run out one way or another , meanwhile the Vic road toll is , despite a massive police Christmas / New Year campaign , 12 more dead than at the same time as last year.

Cars cause and kill more that any cyclist will ever do , but drivers sem to be more immune to this than cyclists

You could fill a Hard drive of recordings of pedestrians at any intersection in Melbourne pressing the button then walking when the little man is still red , but the traffic gets stopped for no one , surely that would P15s of drivers more than a cyclist running a red light.

For some reason cyclists are the blame for more driver angst than driver v driver v truck driver v taxi angst.

I just don't get it ?

I agree with you. I also advise drivers & pedestrians as well!

[think positive]

In the last few days I've yelled out to two bicycle riders who have gone through red lights. The first one was a guy who asked what my problem was! Another two cyclist near me were really pissed off with the rule breaker
When I caught up with him a block or two up the road I simply said your giving bicycle riders a bad name when we need to be more vigilant about our road behaviour. No response

The second was 2 nights ago was a female cyclist. I said the same thing "your giving cyclists a bad name" she said she wasn't a cyclist! I said this is not difficult, don't go through red lights.

What I don't understand is the fascination and such disdain that cyclist are held in.

Don't take this the wrong way WPT but would you really waste your time yelling at every pedestrian that walked against a red light ?

Yep the cyclists are D heads for running the red lights , but one day their luck will run out one way or another , meanwhile the Vic road toll is , despite a massive police Christmas / New Year campaign , 12 more dead than at the same time as last year.

Cars cause and kill more that any cyclist will ever do , but drivers sem to be more immune to this than cyclists

You could fill a Hard drive of recordings of pedestrians at any intersection in Melbourne pressing the button then walking when the little man is still red , but the traffic gets stopped for no one , surely that would P15s of drivers more than a cyclist running a red light.

For some reason cyclists are the blame for more driver angst than driver v driver v truck driver v taxi angst.

I just don't get it ?

I agree with you. I also advise drivers & pedestrians as well!

Arnt you worried someone my wack you one?? As in Road rage.

[watt price tully]

In the last few days I've yelled out to two bicycle riders who have gone through red lights. The first one was a guy who asked what my problem was! Another two cyclist near me were really pissed off with the rule breaker
When I caught up with him a block or two up the road I simply said your giving bicycle riders a bad name when we need to be more vigilant about our road behaviour. No response

The second was 2 nights ago was a female cyclist. I said the same thing "your giving cyclists a bad name" she said she wasn't a cyclist! I said this is not difficult, don't go through red lights.

What I don't understand is the fascination and such disdain that cyclist are held in.

Don't take this the wrong way WPT but would you really waste your time yelling at every pedestrian that walked against a red light ?

Yep the cyclists are D heads for running the red lights , but one day their luck will run out one way or another , meanwhile the Vic road toll is , despite a massive police Christmas / New Year campaign , 12 more dead than at the same time as last year.

Cars cause and kill more that any cyclist will ever do , but drivers sem to be more immune to this than cyclists

You could fill a Hard drive of recordings of pedestrians at any intersection in Melbourne pressing the button then walking when the little man is still red , but the traffic gets stopped for no one , surely that would P15s of drivers more than a cyclist running a red light.

For some reason cyclists are the blame for more driver angst than driver v driver v truck driver v taxi angst.

I just don't get it ?

I agree with you. I also advise drivers & pedestrians as well!

Arnt you worried someone my wack you one?? As in Road rage.

I don't abuse people generally speaking. With pedestrians its what colour are the lights, or well done professor! Car drivers just a look when their wheels are in the bike lane - they almost always respond +vely. Taxi drivers - thank you Einstein!

Bikies - how can I help you?
Truck drivers - how would you like your coffeee
Nasty looking dudes - hello sir I hope I'm not troubling you
A woman in a four wheel drive merc taking her kids to school on Monday morning to Shelford Anglican Girls Grammar who failed to give way at the stop sign on Monday morning & nearly collected me & sped off - "you stupid f*cken bitch"

At lights to drivers - "your lucky I'm not in uniform because that would have cost you $200 & a loss of 3 demerit points" (actually I don't say that but a mate of mine has used it before)

I also say thank you & acknowledge drivers who are courteous & have done the right thing in traffic like not park over the space often in green with a bicycle painted on it or have allowed me to cross into the road when the bloody taxi has stopped smack in the bike lane or the garbage truck blocks the bike lane & a car has allowed me to use the road to pass the obstacle.

[London Dave]

Eddie has just , on the Hot Breakfast , offered to pay the $1500 damages that the cyclist is seeking.

My bike's broken too, where's my $1500 Eddie?