Post Match. Giants down Pies - All comments please

[mooretreloar]

It is taken me this long to post, as I was as disappointed after a game, as I have ever been. Then to log on here and read some of this drivel makes me very angry. Trade Darcy Moore, is one of the most ridiculous comments I ever read.

To the match.

The first quarter was as good as we have played this season. We were probably a goal or two shy of getting full value for our dominance.

The second quarter was horrendous. We basically undid all of our good work in ten minutes. Skill errors and poor decisions were the norm, not the exception. Our midfielders should be ashamed with their contest around the clearances, as we just let the GWS midfielders waltz out of clearance after clearance. Very disappointing that we only had laid 17 tackles at quarter time.

The third quarter was again horrendous around the clearances, too many times GWS midfielders were able to waltz out of the clearances without any pressure. The free kick against WHE and then the 50 against Moore in the next play were shockers and neither decision should have been paid. Just gifted them a goal.

The last quarter we started well and looked to have control until Maynard misses Smith with a handball by more distance than Smith was away from him. A goal results. Misses from Blair and De Goey running into an open goal were poor considering both could have ran to point blank range. Why Fasolo passed to Phillips, I will never know, I would prefer Fasolo having a shot from 45, than Phillips having a shot from 30. The goal review was a disgrace, cost us having an easy transition out of defensive 50. Darcy did very well to get the ball to ground on the wing and then grab it, but I do not why he handballed inboard to Grundy. He needed to kick it 50 metres down the line. Then Blair, why oh why, did you throw yourself ten metres along the ground into someone's legs to give away a free kick. Maynard will learn from letting Johnson get front and centre, but it was a costly mistake, a game losing mistake.

All in all, very disappointing to lose with GWS two down for most of the game and three down for the last half of the last quarter. Such a loss can be very deflating and affect the next week, but hopefully we can lick our wounds and get a win against Hawthorn and then follow it up with a win against Brisbane.

This! It was an absolutely critical turnover, under virtually no pressure.

Maynards goes hard, is quick enough, and kicks like a mule, but he has got to stop making these awful mistakes, makes about 3-4 a game every game

This handball was an utter disgrace. Like so many of our hand balls. Some of the kicks and hand balls were simply atrocious. It won't change. This is us. These are the same garbage plays that will happen every week. That stuff isn't coaching. It's just amateur grade footballers we have drafted.

Yes, this handball wasn't good. You are spot on that it is not coaching, although the majority of posters on this site want to argue it is, as it fits with their mission of getting Buckley sacked. If you look at our losses there were many instances like this handball, which gifted the opposition goals and contributed to us losing.

However, it isn't recruitment, it is just inexperience. In Maynard's case, he was one of the youngest players on the ground yesterday. He has shown excellent improvement this year, but he has played less than 50 games and he will make errors while he is still developing, as will other younger players like Maynard. This is the price you pay when you are developing a team, with the pay off coming in future years when the majority of the team are fully developed AFL players.

I read Krakouer Magic says Sydney had enough chances to beat us and we should be 1-7. It is true that Sydney did enough chances to beat us, however it is also true we had enough chances to beat the Dogs, Richmond, Essendon and the Giants, so on this basis we could be 5-3. You can't have it both ways, but this argument does not suit Krakouer and his mates' mission of getting Buckley sacked.

[Piesnchess]

Roll the dice time, time for young Daicos, schrenberg, Kirby, Wills, maybe Crocker for Fasolo, nothing too lose now, who dares, wins.

[Piesnchess]

Don't accept it then. Be angry until this side matures and irons out all the kinks in its game. I'm gunna enjoy the ups and downs as this side grows over the next 14 weeks.

Yeah, we are llke a yo yo at present, young team, players still getting used to each other, we really need a much better and more settled team, and stop these silly over handballs, and poor disposals. Least we had a red hot go, against a very good opponent, who did have guys out, but still a very competent unit, they are a powerhouse allright. Positives for me, is the fact that in none of our defeats, we have been smashed, pantsed, our worst loss was around four goals. Even the crows have lost by worse, as has the hawks and a most other sides have suffered beltings, we have not. Our backs must be doing pretty ok, mids ok, its our forward line that is still haphazard, even poor. Fas is a bludger, does not do enough, Moore still learning the caper, I would spruce up our forward line, with young Daicos, Kirby, and bring in Schrenberg, Wills even, we need to rejuvenate the forward line, we need more potent forward firing power. Do that, and we just might string a few wins together, even give many sides a big scare post bye. time to roll the dice, at selection, nothing too lose now, be innovative.

[The Boy Who Cried Wolf]

The problem is mooretreloar despite all you say about little specifics here and there (and whether they are correct or not, often enough its just conjecture), the common factor is and remains Buckley. He's had long enough, and enough excuses. Although you of course disagree and I of course don't expect you to change your mind now, to some of us its been obvious for a very long time (again this is conjecture but it is what it is).

[Cakewalk]

Is this the 3rd or 4th year in a row that Bucks just needs another year to sort it out ?!

I love the Geelong 2006 comparison that gets trotted out, that deliberately ignores their build and climb in the previous years and somehow correlates with our circumstances.

We might have hung on if they had no one on the bench last night, however the suns did beat us in those circumstances under Bucks, so you just never know.

[Krakouer Magic]

Yep, never the coaches problem. Yet these systematic failures to finish teams off didn't happen every freaking week under the former coach.

Take the kick in from 1:10 on the clock for a start. If you want to be critical of the situation, which I always will be while Bucks is coach, the aim should have been to roost it down the boundary and punch it out 70m out. Now the execution of the kick went a little to far from the boundary for my liking. And then you have a roving Moore attempting to run and carry up the wing cause there was nothing to kick to up the ground. He hand passes to our ruckman we cough it up and Blair desperately slides into wards legs to kill the ball.

Under no circumstances would that have been acceptable under the former coach. Had Moore gone the handpass instead of roosting it down the line MM would have given him an almighty spray.

My point is, under pressure when your knackered you revert to things you have been drilled into you over the summer. And that my friends is the key problem. We resort to run and carry shit when the game is on the line because that's what the coach drills into players.

And that handpass to Grundy never happens under the old coach cause the old coach drilled kick first and hug the boundary every preseason. The ball had to be killed and taken out. It wasn't and we lost.

It's been ground hog day for 6 seasons now

[Damien]

Is this the 3rd or 4th year in a row that Bucks just needs another year to sort it out ?!

I love the Geelong 2006 comparison that gets trotted out, that deliberately ignores their build and climb in the previous years and somehow correlates with our circumstances.

We might have hung on if they had no one on the bench last night, however the suns did beat us in those circumstances under Bucks, so you just never know.

I saw nothing in last nights narrow loss that I would blame on poor coaching. If Dunn kicks out to the short alone option instead of to a contest we have a spirited win which could have kick started our season (again). Instead we will have another week of rehashed media crap about our coach.

[Rush Stand Wing]

Yep, never the coaches problem. Yet these systematic failures to finish teams off didn't happen every freaking week under the former coach.

Take the kick in from 1:10 on the clock for a start. If you want to be critical of the situation, which I always will be while Bucks is coach, the aim should have been to roost it down the boundary and punch it out 70m out. Now the execution of the kick went a little to far from the boundary for my liking. And then you have a roving Moore attempting to run and carry up the wing cause there was nothing to kick to up the ground. He hand passes to our ruckman we cough it up and Blair desperately slides into wards legs to kill the ball.

Under no circumstances would that have been acceptable under the former coach. Had Moore gone the handpass instead of roosting it down the line MM would have given him an almighty spray.

My point is, under pressure when your knackered you revert to things you have been drilled into you over the summer. And that my friends is the key problem. We resort to run and carry shit when the game is on the line because that's what the coach drills into players.

And that handpass to Grundy never happens under the old coach cause the old coach drilled kick first and hug the boundary every preseason. The ball had to be killed and taken out. It wasn't and we lost.

It's been ground hog day for 6 seasons now

We're not mentioning the stricter Deliberate OOB rules ??? Oh No because that would deflate our whole argument now wouldn't it !? Hugging the boundary in that situation can no longer be entrenched in the subconscious thinking because it can turn the ball over. Although the interpretation was more relaxed this week so maybe Moore could have picked up on that and made this decision himself. Fair dinkum, is he responsible for wiping their asses as well ??

[MatthewBoydFanClub]

Is this the 3rd or 4th year in a row that Bucks just needs another year to sort it out ?!

I love the Geelong 2006 comparison that gets trotted out, that deliberately ignores their build and climb in the previous years and somehow correlates with our circumstances.

We might have hung on if they had no one on the bench last night, however the suns did beat us in those circumstances under Bucks, so you just never know.

I saw nothing in last nights narrow loss that I would blame on poor coaching. If Dunn kicks out to the short alone option instead of to a contest we have a spirited win which could have kick started our season (again). Instead we will have another week of rehashed media crap about our coach.

In the match day thread at 3 quarter time I was imploring the coach to move Reid down back and move Goldsack to the forward line. I also wanted Grundy to ruck all of the last quarter. So what transpired in the last quarter? Goldsack was brilliant in the backline in the last quarter. Reid played his best quarter in the forward line and it started to click with Moore in the ruck in the last quarter. All this proves is the coach knows the capabilities of his players better than you or I. The mistakes people are stating are the cause of the loss are the result of individual errors on the field. That's not the coaching that's at fault. That's human errors. The other side makes human errors as well. GWS made slightly fewer errors than us and that's why they won.
I'm happy for people to make a case that Buckley can't coach based on 5 1/2 years of failure on the field. But stating that he doesn't have a game plan, doesn't have the players wanting to play for him and is a poor match day coach, is a total misrepresentation of the truth as far as I'm able to observe as a spectator.

[makri]

And that last Sydney goal against north has sent us to second last on the ladder.

[AnthonyC]

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I love the Geelong 2006 comparison that gets trotted out, that deliberately ignores their build and climb in the previous years and somehow correlates with our circumstances...

Could you provide specifics here? Or are you not talking about the geelong AFL team?

[thompsoc]

And that last Sydney goal against north has sent us to second last on the ladder.

Still one place to go
It is all snakes and ladders to most posters ....it is only about luck.

[MightyMagpie]

Is this the 3rd or 4th year in a row that Bucks just needs another year to sort it out ?!

I love the Geelong 2006 comparison that gets trotted out, that deliberately ignores their build and climb in the previous years and somehow correlates with our circumstances.

We might have hung on if they had no one on the bench last night, however the suns did beat us in those circumstances under Bucks, so you just never know.

I saw nothing in last nights narrow loss that I would blame on poor coaching. If Dunn kicks out to the short alone option instead of to a contest we have a spirited win which could have kick started our season (again). Instead we will have another week of rehashed media crap about our coach.

In the match day thread at 3 quarter time I was imploring the coach to move Reid down back and move Goldsack to the forward line. I also wanted Grundy to ruck all of the last quarter. So what transpired in the last quarter? Goldsack was brilliant in the backline in the last quarter. Reid played his best quarter in the forward line and it started to click with Moore in the ruck in the last quarter. All this proves is the coach knows the capabilities of his players better than you or I. The mistakes people are stating are the cause of the loss are the result of individual errors on the field. That's not the coaching that's at fault. That's human errors. The other side makes human errors as well. GWS made slightly fewer errors than us and that's why they won.
I'm happy for people to make a case that Buckley can't coach based on 5 1/2 years of failure on the field. But stating that he doesn't have a game plan, doesn't have the players wanting to play for him and is a poor match day coach, is a total misrepresentation of the truth as far as I'm able to observe as a spectator.

You just don't want to change your Nick's username.

[The Boy Who Cried Wolf]

And that last Sydney goal against north has sent us to second last on the ladder.

Still one place to go
It is all snakes and ladders to most posters ....it is only about luck.

Well the way Nth are playing tonight, it might be seventeenthwood by the end of the day.

[Krakouer Magic]

Yep, never the coaches problem. Yet these systematic failures to finish teams off didn't happen every freaking week under the former coach.

Take the kick in from 1:10 on the clock for a start. If you want to be critical of the situation, which I always will be while Bucks is coach, the aim should have been to roost it down the boundary and punch it out 70m out. Now the execution of the kick went a little to far from the boundary for my liking. And then you have a roving Moore attempting to run and carry up the wing cause there was nothing to kick to up the ground. He hand passes to our ruckman we cough it up and Blair desperately slides into wards legs to kill the ball.

Under no circumstances would that have been acceptable under the former coach. Had Moore gone the handpass instead of roosting it down the line MM would have given him an almighty spray.

My point is, under pressure when your knackered you revert to things you have been drilled into you over the summer. And that my friends is the key problem. We resort to run and carry shit when the game is on the line because that's what the coach drills into players.

And that handpass to Grundy never happens under the old coach cause the old coach drilled kick first and hug the boundary every preseason. The ball had to be killed and taken out. It wasn't and we lost.

It's been ground hog day for 6 seasons now

We're not mentioning the stricter Deliberate OOB rules ??? Oh No because that would deflate our whole argument now wouldn't it !? Hugging the boundary in that situation can no longer be entrenched in the subconscious thinking because it can turn the ball over. Although the interpretation was more relaxed this week so maybe Moore could have picked up on that and made this decision himself. Fair dinkum, is he responsible for wiping their asses as well ??

I beg to differ. Like I said Moore had two options. He could have kicked down the line to a contest or just out. Even if GWS did get a free or a mark, they are on their own defensive 50 with 50 seconds in the game to go. Collingwood has time to flood back into gws forward 50 and stop that quick entry that they got from the ward free kick on centre wing.

And no he is not responsible for wiping their asses. But he is responsible for drilling a gameplan that can not only put us into a position to win, but to close out game when under pressure and in the dying minutes. And rarely in 6 seasons have we been able to close out games well