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40 plus and very odd. He's closer to me in age than you and WPT could be your dad. Lucky I'm so youthfull lookinKing Monkey wrote:Funny that JW, I had you roughly in my age range. Not quite my height range though!What then?? 40 odd??
i liken wpt to grandpa simpson.stui magpie wrote:40 plus and very odd. He's closer to me in age than you and WPT could be your dad. Lucky I'm so youthfull lookinKing Monkey wrote:Funny that JW, I had you roughly in my age range. Not quite my height range though!
I think WPT would shudder at the thought!stui magpie wrote:40 plus and very odd. He's closer to me in age than you and WPT could be your dad. Lucky I'm so youthfull lookinKing Monkey wrote:Funny that JW, I had you roughly in my age range. Not quite my height range though!
There have been plenty of players who are snipers and thugs (Leigh Matthews, David Rhys-Jones, Dean Wallis)), there are plenty of players who are stagers for frees (Lindsay Thomas, Boomer Harvey, Joel Selwood), there are plenty of tall poppies (Chris Judd, who also is an eye poker and a chicken winger, Ron Barassi, Jimmy Hird, Michael Voss, Luke Hodge, Ted Whitten), yet none of those got booed every week.watt price tully wrote:Like David was saying: who was saying the reaction to Goodes is about reconciliation? Not relevant.King Monkey wrote:There is a massive difference to Long's and Goodes' contributions to reconciliation.watt price tully wrote: Try watching / listening to Walled Aly on David's youtube link. Calls it like it is.
Michael Long faced reactionary bullshit at the time - you might be too young to remember but there was a backlash. The then mantra was "what happens on the field stays on the field" to excuse bad & racist behaviour amongst other things. Talkback & all were full of shrill outrage.
Now, "leftist women" - you still bangin' on about that.
Michael Long's action at the time was highly political: what else is the reconciliation movement?
That's where Jake Niall's article about the passive & the active type of "blacks" for want of a better term, provides a useful construct, indeed a good way of explaining some of the reactions to Goodes being booed.
Long made an actual point. He changed attitudes, he changed the way people thought & acted in certain situations for the better. He helped people understand that insults towards his culture went beyond the realms of banter, they genuinely hurt.
People don't think and act like they used to in that regard.
Goodes on the other hand, in a lot of people's eyes has done not a great deal else for the cause than divide opinion.
His first foray into the political statement spectrum had him turning an individualised insult from a crowd member at the footy, into evidence we have a problem with racism. A lot of people rejected that notion. The subsequent attempts to paint everyone who disagree and/or don't like this guy as racist, threatened, or backward were/are absolutely astonishing.
He is not disliked because he's "a black challenger", frankly all that is bullsh**. The argument is a construct to paint those with opposing views a certain way.
Long, at the time was not supported in fact hammered by quite a few (lets say lots of people). Young fellas like yourself I presume might not recall that time. We as a society have progressed remarkably well & the AFL & its polices have been brilliant with respect to racist attitudes"what happens of the field stays on the field" etc.
The reaction to Goodes's behaviour is rooted in a few things which in my view include:
1. His kneeing of players / dirty type play / staging;
2. Tall poppy syndrome;
2. His taking a stand against a racist comment he'd heard that turned out to be a 13 yr old & the same people who blame him for this seemed to have missed his pleas to not dump on the girl & as he pointed she probably had no idea what she was saying: (ignorance not being seen as a virtue);
3. The awarding of Australian of the Year - as though he was responsible for nominating & awarding the title to himself;
However not withstanding that list (yet probably contained in part within it) lies something in my view is more than just that. The list does not explain the histrionic & shrill reaction to Goodes's behaviour.
For me, it is well explained by the two previously mentioned & well thought out arguments. I would also add Professor Colin Tatz to that (who was featured on the AWAKEN programme I referenced last week).
Frankly it aint's bullshit at all as you were keen to say. But people are entitled to have wrong opinions
Good to hear Tony Lockett on his acceptance speech that I head a grab of this morning coming out & supporting Goodes saying what a remarkable man he is
Nail hit head.swoop42 wrote:Our integration of Aboriginal culture into mainstream Australia fails in comparison with that of a country like New Zealand with there Maori heritage.
Perhaps we could learn something from them.
Sorry, didn't see this when I posted the above response to Swoop 42.John Wren wrote:swoop42 wrote:Our integration of Aboriginal culture into mainstream Australia fails in comparison with that of a country like New Zealand with there Maori heritage.
Perhaps we could learn something from them.
the establishment of the treaty of waitangi has helped with this. also being a smaller population has likely been a contributor.
i lived there for many years. you can very much see the disparities between how the acceptance of the maoris differs markedly from the acceptance of the aborigines.
both experience the same socio-economic problems and have been beneficiaries of affirmative action but there seems to be less animosity shown to the maoris. some of the key maoris tribes sit on an extraordinary amount of wealth.
Ha haJohn Wren wrote:i liken wpt to grandpa simpson.stui magpie wrote:40 plus and very odd. He's closer to me in age than you and WPT could be your dad. Lucky I'm so youthfull lookinKing Monkey wrote:Funny that JW, I had you roughly in my age range. Not quite my height range though!
I had a good conversation a few years back with a bloke who self styled himself as a Maori chief. Apparently fled NZ to get away from the responsibilities. Scrawny little .John Wren wrote:swoop42 wrote:Our integration of Aboriginal culture into mainstream Australia fails in comparison with that of a country like New Zealand with there Maori heritage.
Perhaps we could learn something from them.
the establishment of the treaty of waitangi has helped with this. also being a smaller population has likely been a contributor.
i lived there for many years. you can very much see the disparities between how the acceptance of the maoris differs markedly from the acceptance of the aborigines.
both experience the same socio-economic problems and have been beneficiaries of affirmative action but there seems to be less animosity shown to the maoris. some of the key maoris tribes sit on an extraordinary amount of wealth.
