Nick's Collingwood Bulletin Board

AN_Inkling wrote:Aish will not be a straight swap for Seedsman. He's played 11 games this year despite injury and finished 4th in the Rising Star in his first year. As a number 7 pick he will definitely cost us more. Lions will be after a first round pick.

With our focus on Treloar I wouldn't be surprised if Aish went elsewhere, especially as we also look to be chasing a ruck.

You're overlooking what we will probably get for Scharenberg, which we could on trade for Aish.

Nothing to suggest Scharenberg's leaving yet. Dealing with facts for the moment.

RudeBoy wrote:

AN_Inkling wrote:Aish will not be a straight swap for Seedsman. He's played 11 games this year despite injury and finished 4th in the Rising Star in his first year. As a number 7 pick he will definitely cost us more. Lions will be after a first round pick.

With our focus on Treloar I wouldn't be surprised if Aish went elsewhere, especially as we also look to be chasing a ruck.

You're overlooking what we will probably get for Scharenberg, which we could on trade for Aish.

If it did happen though, a swap of Scharenberg for Aish means we lose very little if anything. They are two closely matched prospects.

Seedsman in a direct swap for Aish though is never happening.

Deja Vu wrote:Seriously we have to stop topping up super funds of hasbeen players through free agency. Young, Lynch and now Kruezer? Any chance we could use free agency for a decent player?

I'm not a fan of free agency and I certainly didn't agree with recruiting Lynch or Young, but don't think that's the point here. I think Kreuzer could be a very handy player. My issue is do we need him? Would a fit and in form Kreuzer enhance our team sufficiently more than Grundy/Witts/Cox to justify getting him? Would he compliment our existing rucks and/or ruck-forwards or be detrimental to their development?

jackcass wrote:

Deja Vu wrote:Seriously we have to stop topping up super funds of hasbeen players through free agency. Young, Lynch and now Kruezer? Any chance we could use free agency for a decent player?

I'm not a fan of free agency and I certainly didn't agree with recruiting Lynch or Young, but don't think that's the point here. I think Kreuzer could be a very handy player. My issue is do we need him? Would a fit and in form Kreuzer enhance our team sufficiently more than Grundy/Witts/Cox to justify getting him? Would he compliment our existing rucks and/or ruck-forwards or be detrimental to their development?

Going by his injured state and lack of consistent form at times, I don't think so.

We did this a few years ago with a bloke named Jolly who was on his last legs.

Kruezer would absolutely fit in.
He can play the 3rd tall / ruck role nicely.

Grundy is way ahead of Witts and would be first choice with Kruezer starting up forward. No sub rule helps this as well to fit them both into the side.

Witts can be traded. He is surplus if we land MK

Isn't Kruezer a first ruck? Isn't our problem that we already have 2 of those?

We need a forward that can ruck a bit. Kruezer isn't that.

jackcass wrote:

Deja Vu wrote:Seriously we have to stop topping up super funds of hasbeen players through free agency. Young, Lynch and now Kruezer? Any chance we could use free agency for a decent player?

I'm not a fan of free agency and I certainly didn't agree with recruiting Lynch or Young, but don't think that's the point here. I think Kreuzer could be a very handy player. My issue is do we need him? Would a fit and in form Kreuzer enhance our team sufficiently more than Grundy/Witts/Cox to justify getting him? Would he compliment our existing rucks and/or ruck-forwards or be detrimental to their development?

He will improve out team. Can more easily play with Grundy than Witts can.

But again, most importantly it means that Witts is tradeable and can help in getting our deals done, especially for Treloar.

He is the solution that Pies have been crying out for years since Leigh Brown retired. IMHO, he is more fitting than Treloar/Aid blah blah blah. He would resolve many headaches/weaknesses that Pies have got. Come on board Kruzzy, be part of a premier team 2017.

DP

AN_Inkling wrote:

jackcass wrote:

Deja Vu wrote:Seriously we have to stop topping up super funds of hasbeen players through free agency. Young, Lynch and now Kruezer? Any chance we could use free agency for a decent player?

I'm not a fan of free agency and I certainly didn't agree with recruiting Lynch or Young, but don't think that's the point here. I think Kreuzer could be a very handy player. My issue is do we need him? Would a fit and in form Kreuzer enhance our team sufficiently more than Grundy/Witts/Cox to justify getting him? Would he compliment our existing rucks and/or ruck-forwards or be detrimental to their development?

He will improve out team. Can more easily play with Grundy than Witts can.

But again, most importantly it means that Witts is tradeable and can help in getting our deals done, especially for Treloar.

Yeah, I'm not so sure and I'm firmly in the retain Witts camp. I'm not doubting his ability or as concerned about his injury history as some. Just think that with Grundy, Witts, Cox, Moore, White and potentially Keeffe, the ruck isn't an area we need to bolster and I think his recruitment would in fact derail the development of the kids we already have.

I do agree though that if we were to recruit him Witts does become more tradable.

MagpiesTheGreat wrote:He is the solution that Pies have been crying out for years since Leigh Brown retired. IMHO, he is more fitting than Treloar/Aid blah blah blah. He would resolve many headaches/weaknesses that Pies have got. Come on board Kruzzy, be part of a premier team 2017.

Where is Kruzzy be part of a premier team 2017 ?

jackcass wrote:Yeah, I'm not so sure and I'm firmly in the retain Witts camp. I'm not doubting his ability or as concerned about his injury history as some. Just think that with Grundy, Witts, Cox, Moore, White and potentially Keeffe, the ruck isn't an area we need to bolster and I think his recruitment would in fact derail the development of the kids we already have.

I do agree though that if we were to recruit him Witts does become more tradable.

So are you the the "we need more midfielders/halfbacks" camp or do you agree we need at least ONE good KPP?

The great thing about Kreuser is that - assuming he passes a stringent medical - he is a fantastic mark and terrific reader of the game. He has footy smarts. Sure, he's a little slow, but is quicker than Witts. It's his ability to take strong marks around the ground which is his greatest asset, and one that we have been sorely missing, ever since Jolly retired. If we land him and get 4 good years out of him, that could well help deliver us 2 Premierships, and by that time, Grundy will be the best ruckman in the AFL.

I've been saying for a couple of years now, that having a dominant ruckman is the key to our Premiership success. Relying on both Witts and Grundy, two young developing ruckmen, was not ideal. Having a mature A grade ruckman alongside an emerging ruckman is ideal. The Kreuser/Grundy partnership would be ideal. Throw in Treloar and maybe Aish, then we are suddenly a genuine flag threat in 2016.