Police killings in the USA

[David]

Nevertheless:

https://www.snopes.com/do-police-kill-m ... ck-people/

[think positive]

[Mugwump]

Nevertheless:

https://www.snopes.com/do-police-kill-m ... ck-people/

...youre way too bright to play with statistics like that David. Control for the rate of violent confrontations and the effect goes away. Serious, reputable academic research (e.g. Joseph ace sarios research in Michigan) controls for context. It is more boring than inflammatory political stuff and grand kneeling gestures by millionaire victims, but it will at least point in a direction that may cause fewer deaths in the long run. The best compassion requires serious intellectual work.

[swoop42]

Nevertheless:

https://www.snopes.com/do-police-kill-m ... ck-people/

...youre way too bright to play with statistics like that David. Control for the rate of violent confrontations and the effect goes away. Again, read the serious academic research that controls for context. It is more boring than inflammatory political stuff and grand kneeling gestures by millionaire victims, but it will at least point in a direction that may cause fewer deaths in the long run. The best compassion requires serious intellectual work.

What part of black people are 2.5 times more likely to be shot by police than white folk did you miss?

I guess black people are the real criminals so they deserve it.

Honestly if you actually view some of these police shootings of both black and non black individuals you'll see the police in the US have a lot to answer for as some clearly believe in shoot first ask questions later and it's a disgrace that they keep getting away with it.

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Tip of the iceberg.

[think positive]

[Pies4shaw]

Because if you're going to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, it's better to be police than black?

[Pies4shaw]

Nevertheless:

https://www.snopes.com/do-police-kill-m ... ck-people/

That won't do, David. What place does a perfectly even-handed analysis of the figures have in a debate about victim-blaming?

https://theundefeated.com/features/in-t ... :nfl:index

[Mugwump]

Nevertheless:

https://www.snopes.com/do-police-kill-m ... ck-people/

...youre way too bright to play with statistics like that David. Control for the rate of violent confrontations and the effect goes away. Again, read the serious academic research that controls for context. It is more boring than inflammatory political stuff and grand kneeling gestures by millionaire victims, but it will at least point in a direction that may cause fewer deaths in the long run. The best compassion requires serious intellectual work.

What part of black people are 2.5 times more likely to be shot by police than white folk did you miss?

I guess black people are the real criminals so they deserve it.

Individual cases are often tragic and there have been some appalling miscarriages of justice. That is not in contest. What is questionable is the proposition that a black man, in a highly-charged context, is more likely to be shot than a white man.

https://www.cesariolab.com/race-bias-in-shooting

This is not actually a difficult read, and it is a highly reputable paper from a respected professor of social science at Michigan University. The methodology behind it is statistically rigorous and careful. Now, when you are diligent enough to read it, and when you have reflected carefully on its truth and logic, and when you can mount a reasonable rebuttal of it, I'll answer your question about what I missed.

I might even answer your sneer that those who think this issue is being misrepresented through partial statistics must think "black people ...deserve it". It is wearisome, but since you made that awful allegation, let me assure you that I think nobody deserves execution without a fair trial under lawful statute (and often not then).

[Mugwump]

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This was family viewing at my home when the kids were much younger & when this show was on TV: Michael Moore:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeOaTpYl8mE

[Wokko]

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/ ... black-cop/

[HAL]

When do you think artificial intelligence will replace lawyers?

[stui magpie]

Individual cases are often tragic and there have been some appalling miscarriages of justice. That is not in contest. What is questionable is the proposition that a black man, in a highly-charged context, is more likely to be shot than a white man.

https://www.cesariolab.com/race-bias-in-shooting

This is not actually a difficult read, and it is a highly reputable paper from a respected professor of social science at Michigan University. The methodology behind it is statistically rigorous and careful.

Good article and reflects a comment I was about to make, adjusting the figures based on population doesn't work.

Blacks are more highly represented in crime statistics and in Gaol. Is this pure racial bias or a reflection that a higher percentage of Blacks live in poverty than whites, and poverty is a well established link with crime.

https://www.census.gov/prod/2013pubs/acsbr11-17.pdf

So when every American has easy access to guns, and Blacks are more highly represented in crime stats than blacks, any cop pulling up a black person will be on heightened alert. That's not racial profiling, that's preservation instinct kicking in.

The Black Lives Matter people should focus on getting more black people educated and into higher paid employment, reducing poverty and crime if they really want to save black lives

[David]

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