Post Match. Tigers def. Pies - All comments please

[Dark Beanie]

And out on the ground during the game it is up to the players to execute.

[MarkOSuv]

And out on the ground during the game it is up to the players to execute.

That is partly true but if you have a team made up of inside grunt types and little outside skill and run, it is impossible to ask them to play a game style that minimises their skill errors.

[think positive]

I actually thought Goldsack was BOG in the first half

me too

[Dark Beanie]

And out on the ground during the game it is up to the players to execute.

That is partly true but if you have a team made up of inside grunt types and little outside skill and run, it is impossible to ask them to play a game style that minimises their skill errors.

Nothing is impossible.

[What'sinaname]

Buckley deserved the loss with the continual selection of Blair.

Leon Davis was more influential in the 2002 GF.

[What'sinaname]

I actually thought Goldsack was BOG in the first half

me too

The first half of the game was so disgraceful, it didn't deserve a "best on ground", more like a "least worst on ground"

[think positive]

No.

It's fact.

The coach is a large part responsible for the list assembled with the head recruiter. He is also head of the selection committee every week. When a team is filled with grunt players with little skill and X Factor, that reflects on him.

He's had 5 years to get it right. It isn't working. Move on, accept defeat and appoint someone with half a clue.

I am not going to waste my time and energy arguing with you, except to re-iterate we did not lose that game last night because of Nathan Buckley.

If we did I would type that we did. If the players were not playing for him I would type that his time is up, but both games in 2017 show that they are playing for him.

Coaches have next to zero impact on the result of a game on game day. You and others are kidding yourselves if you think otherwise. The game was lost by highly paid professional athletes not doing their job properly, end of story and my last post on this topic.

Coaches have everything to do with match day.

The planning, the preparation on the training track and the practise of skill execution under pressure at training are all related to the coaching dept.

exactly right,

the bolded, really thats what you saw?

He should get a lot of blame, we've been losing the same way for 5 seasons and 2 games...

Sorry mate, that is not even close to being correct. However, you are entitled to your opinion, but it would be good if you backed up your opinion with the reasons he was to blame for tonight's loss, rather than taking the easy way out with a generic statement. What did he to make him solely responsible for the loss? What moves did he not make? What moves did he make that were wrong? Which kick, handball or decision on field did he fail to execute to required level?

The fact is this.. he has had 6 years to build a team of his choice. He has let go that much leadership because of his inability to control big personalities. Of course it's not he's fault with disposal out on the ground, but it is he's fault with the list HE has created. The quicker he goes the better. Get on it Ed!

yep, now the team is as even, bland, robotic and vanilla as he is. passion, we need passion. even if its just smashing someone in sticking up for another member of our team, take down the walls Buckley, let us see you care,

[Member 7167]

I was at the ground and was totally disgusted on the crap they served up for us to watch.

I interpreted last week as an honourable loss as we lost to the current premiers who are at their peak of confidence and had most of their premiership players with a few improvement.

You come into each season hoping to see positive improvement from the previous season and expecting to see improvement in specific areas of the game that were our Achilles heels last year. You attempt to be conservative in your expectation and hope that the team will be in a position to compete for one of the 4 positions in the lower part of the top eight.

What I saw last night was soul destroying. If we play like that the rest of the year we will be lucky to win 4 games. Once again our accuracy in front of goal was appalling. Our decision making at times was an absolute disaster and effective kicking skills were almost non existent for passages of play.

If you do not have the skills to hit a target why do you centre the ball and kick across goal. Some of these players must have rose coloured glasses on when reviewing their strengths.

Buckley put it down to and emerging Tigers team. What utter garbage. They did not win it as WE LOST IT.

I really question why my family spend $3200 a year on membership when year in and year out we have to endure this crap.

[simon tonna]

we are serious and unprecedented trouble. never have I seen
the fabric of an organisation been ripped to shreds like what
were seeing now. we are so far behind the rest of the comp in
player development. we have nothing to play for and its rnd 2.
by that I mean no-one plays for each other. they are so down
on confidence and non trustworthy as team mates. they are by
far the most amateur team the club as produced in years, probably
in recent history. we have so many shit players and its sad to
see players brought in to help the situation play even worse from
which they came. no one in there right mind can honestly say to
themselves that Buckley was and still is the right person to guyed
us through the storm. the decisions to recruit these other clubs
deadwood who together with our own that nobody comes looking
for is a combination for disaster and one we will probably makes
us turn our attention to other for-filling interests. thanks Collingwood.

[derkd]

I don't see how we come back from preseason and our skills stink it up that bad.

We can't hit targets by hand or foot. And the constant attempts to go into the corridor with our poor skills are costing us goals.

Bit sad that 2 weeks into the season and I'm already over the same tripe that the club seems to serve up.

Taking a step back for a moment, I think the wins will come.....It going to take "that game"when it all "clicks together", I think then we will string together a number of wins....

The problem is it might come in round 10.....by that time our season will be shot.

The problem is even when it does come....all that is likely to happen is a repeat of previous seasons...by that i mean we get on a run for a few games...we look amazing...then it suddenly deserts us again ...and we go back to looking as we are now.

If i may voice the frustration of what i feel many magpie fans feel.....it is the lack of consistency...We can go from hero's to zero's one week from the next.

And i think after five years you have a right to at least expect a smaller gap between best and worst.

Now yes, I accept Buckley should not be held solely to blame, injuries have hurt in previous years. He can only do so much.

The unfortunate reality is that as senior coach....you bare the brunt of each loss as much as the accolades of the win.

It is not too late, Mark Thompson, Al Clarkson have dug themselves out of holes not too dissimilar to go on the become great coaches. While he is still in the job he has a chance....But gee he will want to get a move on.

[September Zeros]

No.

It's fact.

The coach is a large part responsible for the list assembled with the head recruiter. He is also head of the selection committee every week. When a team is filled with grunt players with little skill and X Factor, that reflects on him.

He's had 5 years to get it right. It isn't working. Move on, accept defeat and appoint someone with half a clue.

I am not going to waste my time and energy arguing with you, except to re-iterate we did not lose that game last night because of Nathan Buckley.

If we did I would type that we did. If the players were not playing for him I would type that his time is up, but both games in 2017 show that they are playing for him.

Coaches have next to zero impact on the result of a game on game day. You and others are kidding yourselves if you think otherwise. The game was lost by highly paid professional athletes not doing their job properly, end of story and my last post on this topic.

Coaches have everything to do with match day.

The planning, the preparation on the training track and the practise of skill execution under pressure at training are all related to the coaching dept.

Except the actual execution of all the above? Which the player is responsible for as their part?

Imagine a coach who as an example gives you a game plan that say gives you equal forward 50 entries (53/54) from which you reap 25 scoring shots but multiple team mates and yourself can't manage to slot a goal from 20m out directly in front even though you all did so at training last week. Is it the coach and his game plans fault or the professional footballer who can't make good on a lollie that an under 10 who contrary to his mums advice had one too many donuts before the game would kick truly every time.

Don't misread me. My opinion on Buckley isn't glowing. But you sir have an agenda that pollutes every thread. The players must accept part of the blame last night , they were just appalling save perhaps our captain.

[maurs64]

You're assuming that they practice kicking at goal. Apparently they don't practice goal kicking at all. So who's responsible for how they train? The coaches presumably.

[ThePieMind]

This is going to be my last rant on kicking. Of all Buck's perceived failings, the one that I hold him fully responsible for is not having the ability to identify or teach players basic skills. You can talk about grunt and shape, and formations, and rolling zone defences, till the cows come home. If we are not able to see what a good kicking action looks like with the naked eye, and fix our kicking skills, then just pack it all up and go home.

Put the stats away. We're not playing with any confidence. The reason we are not playing with confidence is because we have 1/3 of our team that can't kick. We cannot trust our teammates, and therefore don't take the game on, take risks, nor go through the middle with speed.

When I say they can't kick, I mean they have flawed techniques that should have been identified a long time ago, or they should never have been recruited in the first place.

The following players from tonight's match cannot kick:

Dary Moore - no kicking power, or penetration...from a complete lack of timing. Does some weird manufactured shit with this hand actions on set shots. Sorry folks, but he's not going to be the footbaler we'd hoped for. He's actually not a naturally talented footballer...more an athlete. If you doubt this, ask him to do a torp. I bet it would look ugly. Contrast to A.Rocca. I know who'd I'd rather have.

Brayden Maynard - strong leg but has absolutely no hand/leg coordination in his ball drop. A bit worried he's not developing any awareness in traffic.

Jesse White - might have been good...in another sport.

Jarrod Blair - f**8##rk me, how does he get a game? The ball is too big for his hands. You know the buzz that comes from the crowd when a dangerous player is in the vicinity of the ball, the opposition is super worried about that player and panics, and something comes out of nothing? With Blair it's the opposite...if he's in the vicinity of the ball, it all goes to shit.

Taylor Adams - I tried to talk myself into that he was a footballer. I tried but I know in deep down he's a spud who can't kick.

Chris Mayne - geeeezzzzus. His miss from 15m out after that tackle just killed our whole team. He really really cannot kick. His ball drop is atrocious. I can't see him fixing it. Don't believe the commentators when they say he used to be the best set shot. It's bs. Worse trade since Gary Shaw.

Henry Schade - another nervous kick due to bad technique. Not sure about his rebounding capability. Dunne should have his place in the side for now. At least Dunne's a good kick, and likes to take the game on.

For the record, these are the other players on our list that can't kick.

Josh Thomas - not sure what he gives us.
Greenwood - a pity, because the rest of his game is good.
Keeffe - not that bad for a big man, but not a natural footballer. Soccer player..says it all.
Crocker - saw a few of his kicks last year, and apart from poor technique, can't kick 50m.
Oxley - takes 5 secs to think about, then actually kick the thing with a 2-handed drop, and turn it over.
Cox - someone tell him he needs to kick through the ball, not do dinky chip kicks at goal.

I haven't seen some of the new recruits so can't comment on them yet.

So why are we such a dumb club? Is it so hard to see how important kicking is in the modern game? What's wrong with our recruiters? I've grown up with this game. Played it and watched it from 5yo. I've done a lot of sports, and been coached in a few of them as well. Kicking an Aussie rules footy is an athletic action unique to our game. I can see a nice, natural kicking action from 150m away. In the same way I can see a flawed action. Above all, I want to watch natural footballers play, not athletes. Sometimes I'd love to hear what these so called coaches actually talk about inside their meeting rooms. Can they not see the forest for the trees?

Sorry to be so negative. I love this club but tonight hurts. Pendles is an amazing football player and worth the price of admission alone. He is so much better than our next-best player it's ridiculous. I liked Broomy's running, even though he didn't get a lot of it. Hope he can get a good run at it from now on. Grundy was awesome, and Treloar was indeed worth 2 first round picks. WHE is looking great. Howe has been fanastic for us at half-back. Cmon Pies. We are an almost side at the moment. The talent is mostly there. Let's get smarter as a football club and become the club we should be.

Sorry but you are completely wrong.

BJ and Sinclair were both atrocious kicks, experience and confidence changed that.
If these guys had skill deficiency at the level you are suggesting they would never have made the draft let alone have been drafted.

[ThePieMind]

He should get a lot of blame, we've been losing the same way for 5 seasons and 2 games...

Sorry mate, that is not even close to being correct. However, you are entitled to your opinion, but it would be good if you backed up your opinion with the reasons he was to blame for tonight's loss, rather than taking the easy way out with a generic statement. What did he to make him solely responsible for the loss? What moves did he not make? What moves did he make that were wrong? Which kick, handball or decision on field did he fail to execute to required level?

The fact is this.. he has had 6 years to build a team of his choice. He has let go that much leadership because of his inability to control big personalities. Of course it's not he's fault with disposal out on the ground, but it is he's fault with the list HE has created. The quicker he goes the better. Get on it Ed!
Don't respond mooretrealore, who have no idea what your talking about.

Apart from Heater who are these big personalities that would make our best 22 today ? Daisy, Harry O, .

How are the leaders that we dumped that would make our best 22?

[BEAMER09]

^^
Believe what you want to believe, but it is absolute and utter rubbish.

No.

It's fact.

The coach is a large part responsible for the list assembled with the head recruiter. He is also head of the selection committee every week. When a team is filled with grunt players with little skill and X Factor, that reflects on him.

He's had 5 years to get it right. It isn't working. Move on, accept defeat and appoint someone with half a clue.

BINGO and don't forget the 2 rounds in the 6th year and I wouldn't like to see what happens next week if Doggies roll Swans tonight.