Coronavirus 3 - Al Pacino's turn to mumble

[Dave The Man]

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Closing state borders should IMHO be a last resort. Every state should be equipped to manage the inevitable small outbreak without needing to shut everything down.

According to some on here, Victoria apparently now has the best contact tracing in Australia. Now's the chance to prove it.

They said they have found out what Happened that someone has come back from the Northern Beaches in Sydney with Covid and went to the Black Rock Hotel/Restaurant and has Spread from There

[What'sinaname]

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Closing state borders should IMHO be a last resort. Every state should be equipped to manage the inevitable small outbreak without needing to shut everything down.

According to some on here, Victoria apparently now has the best contact tracing in Australia. Now's the chance to prove it.

100% correct. Lockdowns are a proven failure of a good system.

[Dave The Man]

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Closing state borders should IMHO be a last resort. Every state should be equipped to manage the inevitable small outbreak without needing to shut everything down.

According to some on here, Victoria apparently now has the best contact tracing in Australia. Now's the chance to prove it.

100% correct. Lockdowns are a proven failure of a good system.

Why as when you have People coming back Overseas there is no 100% chance you get everyone

[Pies4shaw]

Closing the borders with another State that's riddled with disease is hardly a lockdown. It's just taking a sensible step that - as roar says - should have been taken sooner.

[What'sinaname]

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Closing state borders should IMHO be a last resort. Every state should be equipped to manage the inevitable small outbreak without needing to shut everything down.

According to some on here, Victoria apparently now has the best contact tracing in Australia. Now's the chance to prove it.

100% correct. Lockdowns are a proven failure of a good system.

Why as when you have People coming back Overseas there is no 100% chance you get everyone

Exactly, the system needs to be able to control and manage outbreaks. When all else fails, you do a lockdown.

[Pies4shaw]

NSW's latest announcement (from the ABC blog):

This is the statement from Premier Gladys Berejiklian and Brad Hazzard in full:

Given the risk of COVID-19 transmission on the Northern Beaches and across Greater Sydney (including Wollongong, Central Coast and Blue Mountains), the following adjustments are being made.

From midnight tonight, the southern zone of the Northern Beaches will be subject to the same restrictions as Greater Sydney.

Restrictions for the northern zone of the Northern Beaches remain the same with stay at home orders in place until 9 January 2021;
No visitors to the home.
Five northern zone residents can gather outdoors (not at homes) for exercise and recreation, from within the same zone.
Non-essential businesses remain closed.
Given the general risk in Greater Sydney, new measures are required to reduce the transmission potential of COVID-19 while maintaining economic activity.
The following measures for Greater Sydney (including Wollongong, Central Coast and Blue Mountains) are effective from midnight tonight;
Face masks will be mandatory in the following indoor settings: shopping (retail, supermarkets and shopping centres), public/shared transport, indoor entertainment (including cinemas and theatres), places of worship, hair and beauty premises. Face masks will also be mandatory for all staff in hospitality venues and casinos and for patrons using gaming services. Compliance will start from Monday, 4 January 2021 with $200 on the spot fines for individuals for non-compliance. Children under 12 are exempt but are encouraged to wear masks where practicable.
Gym classes reduced to 30 people.
Places of worship and religious services limited to 1 person per 4sqm up to a maximum of 100 people per separate area.
Weddings and funerals limited to 1 person per 4sqm up to a maximum of 100 people.
Outdoor performances and protests reduced to 500 people.
Controlled, outdoor gatherings (seated, ticketed, enclosed) reduced to 2,000 people.
Night clubs not permitted.
People are still encouraged to limit non-essential gatherings and reduce their mobility where possible to further minimise the risk of transmission in the community.
Whilst these measures do not apply to areas outside Greater Sydney (including Wollongong, Central Coast and Blue Mountains), we urge all residents and visitors across the State to practise COVID safe behaviours and get tested even if symptoms are mild.
We thank the community for their patience and understanding. Our priority is always to protect the health and safety of the community.

[eddiesmith]

100% correct. Lockdowns are a proven failure of a good system.

Why as when you have People coming back Overseas there is no 100% chance you get everyone

Exactly, the system needs to be able to control and manage outbreaks. When all else fails, you do a lockdown.

Yep and NSW is showing how to manage it.

Also saying mandatory masks brought Victoria’s under control forgers it was at 400 cases a day when they came in! Then we went to state 4 lockdown at 700 cases a day.

[eddiesmith]

yep and anyone coming back tonight should still have to be tested,

Anyone coming back tonight has to do 14 days quarantine! That’s how $%$ed this governments border closure was. At 5pm on NYE they tell people who’ve been drinking to quick get in your cars and drive 5+ hours back home or you can’t go back to work next week or the week after...

There is no sign of intelligent life in the Victorian government and now it comes out the NSW person they were blaming for the outbreak tested negative whilst we do have confirmation of infected Victorians going to regional NSW. Maybe NSW should shut the border, at least they know how to do it competently.

I’m more than happy for them to stay there!

Reading this thread quickly tells you the answers as to why the government treats us like children. Because so many act like it. If you sample 100 people who visited the beaches how many would be honest about it? It’s not the Aussie way to dob or for many tell the truth! Or do the unselfish thing.

Was Gladys in charge when the ruby princess docked? When we all masked up the numbers crashed, why are they not masking up? Learning from our hell? Why didn’t she lock down the beaches?

7 states, 2 big **** up ones, neither are winning this years people’s choice award or covid handling award.

Yet since the Ruby Princess which was 1 poor lapse in judgment by NSW health before this Covid stuff was really taken seriously, NSW has done a great job managing outbreaks. Whereas HQ was a long and continuous stuff up with multiple warnings ignored before it exploded.

The fact people want to compare Sydney’s current little outbreak to the Dansaster says it all! I sometimes wonder if people just want NSW to suffer because we did.

[stui magpie]

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I think most Victorians are more scared of being locked down again than they are of the virus itself.

Anyway, I'm organised now.

Covid test done, got referrals from the GP, went to a pathology place in Epping, drive through arrangement, only queued for an hour.

New boss contacted, work equipment to be couriered to me on Monday so I can start remotely on Tuesday.

Grocery shopping done online at Woollies and Wine from Naked Wines.

All sorted, now just wait for the results. Is it too early to start drinking?

[Dark Beanie]

It’s five o’clock somewhere in the world so never too early

[watt price tully]

Covid 19 is going to be with us for a long time.

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Gladys is potentially showing us how the outbreaks can be managed if competant adults are in charge

I know which method I prefer.

I was wondering what happened to the sixth Marx Brother.

Export the Virus is the consequence of Gladys’s strategy. Terrific

[watt price tully]

Covid 19 is going to be with us for a long time.

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Gladys is potentially showing us how the outbreaks can be managed if competant adults are in charge

I know which method I prefer.

I was wondering what happened to the sixth Marx Brother.

Export the Virus is the consequence of Gladys’s strategy. Terrific

[watt price tully]

Why as when you have People coming back Overseas there is no 100% chance you get everyone

Exactly, the system needs to be able to control and manage outbreaks. When all else fails, you do a lockdown.

Yep and NSW is showing how to manage it.

Also saying mandatory masks brought Victoria’s under control forgers it was at 400 cases a day when they came in! Then we went to state 4 lockdown at 700 cases a day.

Lets see: Eddie the whinger vs Dr Norman Swan: whose advice and understanding should we follow? ......It's a tough one ....

[stui magpie]

On the last day of 2020, NSW’s Chief Health Officer Kerry Chant was asked if she had any New Year’s resolutions.

She hadn’t given it much thought, she told reporters at her final press conference of a bruising year. “But I think most people can imagine what it will be … to rapidly bring this cluster under control and no community transmission of COVID-19.”
Chant is no dreamer. "We need to remember we're continually under threat and we are never going to go back to normal," she said. COVID will change our lives “for literally years to come”.

Her comments were a stark reminder that NSW is playing the long game.

Long game indeed.

The state government's goal is not elimination of the virus - an almost impossible task so long as Australia’s border remains ajar to people and imports alike and NSW is responsible for almost half of all returning travellers, quarantine or not.

Instead, Premier Gladys Berejiklian is relying on NSW’s juggernaut public health operation to track and trace chains of transmission rather than locking down the entire state or its capital of 5.23 million people at every sign of an outbreak.

"We know that until there's a vaccine that's rolled out to the vast majority of the population that we're going to have to live with COVID," Ms Berejiklian said. "So the strategy we've taken in NSW is how can we firstly maintain public health and safety, without putting unnecessary stress on our citizens.

"We have to really make decisions on the basis of how can we keep a COVID-safe existence whilst keeping the economy open and that's a fine line we're balancing.

“We are planning, not just for the next six months and 12 months but also for the next three or four years.”

Funny thing is, Gladys is using the same strategy that Andrews tried when the hotel quarantine outbreak happened. The difference is, Andrews failed and had to resort to hard lockdown, Gladys is succeeding.

“Lockdown is the very bluntest tool and should only be used when all public health efforts [to contain spread] have failed and at the very end of sequential risks,”

says Dr Ian Norton, an emergency response expert and former head of WHO's emergency medical team initiative.

“The mantra seems to be ‘go hard go early’ but that’s not required,” describing Sydney’s current circumstances as a “modest cluster”.

“If a population is well-messaged and part of the conversation they are more likely to comply with incremental increases [in restrictions] and also expect them to drop away as soon as possible when the risk passes.

“If not then they can lose faith in the system … if they feel [a lockdown] is not required and it’s being done for other reasons then you’ve lost them and it's very hard to get them back.”

Yep. Dan might have somehow come through to date with his teflon coating unscathed, but if he keeps going to the 1 wood every time there's a minor outbreak things will be different.

Labor has been urging Berejiklian to mandate the wearing of masks on public transport for months but there has been reluctance within the government. There is no ideological opposition to compulsory masks, government insiders insist, but it is a complicated proposition, because social and equity issues around access to masks need to be taken into account, as well as the health benefits.

Chant’s advice to the government has been consistent - masks are only one line of defence and not the silver bullet. But the government is prepared to change tack should Chant recommend it. This includes consideration of further lockdowns.

One insider says: “Masks have become ultra-politicised but it is simply not that Labor is pro-masks and Liberals are anti-masks.”

Liljeqvist understands Berejiklian’s position. “I don’t like laws telling people to wear masks,” he says, acknowledging that it was preferable to have a willing and compliant community rather than one forced into action.

So while everyone is screaming, Victoria has had more daily cases than NSW 3 days in a row. What Gladys is doing, works. The fact that Andrews couldn't successfully implement the same strategy doesn't mean it doesn't work. Nothing wrong with the strategy, the fault lies with the ones implementing it.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/no- ... 56r75.html

[What'sinaname]

Shorter memory:

we had zero community cases quite recently then Gladys has exported it, due in part to lax responses by NSW.

From someone who reads extremist websites for their news than I'll give your comment about politics the attention it deserves.......too much already.

You still haven't addressed the point. We exported COVID to NSW but they took it in their stride while we went to lockdown.

You refuse to learn from NSW because they are a Liberal government.