Post inauguration Trump:

[Tannin]

While we are at it, this article - https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-a ... 54ma8.html Trump joins 'Ostrich Alliance' of loser leaders sets out the charges very clearly and is worth reading.

[Wokko]

https://babylonbee.com/news/us-reports- ... t-syndrome

[pietillidie]

That's 26M unemployment claims in five weeks. Well done, Captain Coronavirus; you really are a genius after all.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/busi ... -live.html

[David]

^ Isn't that kind of an inevitable consequence of the lockdown response?

[pietillidie]

^ Isn't that kind of an inevitable consequence of the lockdown response?

I'm glad you brought that up because the malignant narcissist would love you to think that so he can pretend all of the economic damage that has ensued is at the hands of the virus. Absolutely false. His tiny hands are all over the economic disaster, as they are with the deaths.

Think about it: the greater the crisis and its mismanagement, the greater the deaths and economic disruption.

This is why I'm in lockdown and have web meetings with Korean clients who are wandering around their offices. Korea had a handle on the problem quickly, so it could keep things going to a greater extent than other countries through heavy testing, tracing, monitoring, education, and government-supplied masks.

First, let's listen to the stable genius again:

Low Ratings Fake News MSDNC (Comcast) & @CNN are doing everything possible to make the Caronavirus look as bad as possible, including panicking markets, if possible. Likewise their incompetent Do Nothing Democrat comrades are all talk, no action. USA in great shape!

The lack of preparation and then lack of organised response meant the pandemic couldn't be monitored and contained, and shutdowns controlled, and further that emergency monies couldn't get businesses quick enough to reassure them that they would be helped and therefore should keep people on, carry debt, and bear with the situation.

You're probably thinking of the economy through the lense of shop fronts, assume lockdowns were inevitable, and think lockdowns imply shutdowns. But much of the economy does not consist of shop-front work, and as SK shows, lockdowns were not inevitable even in a country with an extremely dense population.

To make matters worse, the lack of sufficient levels of testing means a rational and reliable phase-back plan can't be put in place, causing ongoing uncertainty. When mired in uncertainty businesses let people go because their reflex is to think 'cash is king'.

In other words, dithering, denial and now disorganisation means both more deaths and more job losses.

[think positive]

And just think ,if China didn’t bite the heads of of bats, none of this happens, or just think, if China was honest this could have been contained, but yes, let’s blame one man for it, you do know he doesn’t really have the final say in everything yeah? He even said ‘though he supports senators decisions, he doesn’t agree with it” to reopening states and he did try to lockdown New York but was told it was unconstitutional. No I don’t think the US as a whole, not just Trump, has handled this well, but then not many countries did at the start, no one has been exactly here before.

Your correct David. For more than one reason. For example, The US has a very high density of hospitality workers, you can walk into a target here and see maybe 2 assistants on your whole shop now, in the States it’s far different. Same as restaurants etc. but aside from that, what country hasn’t had a massive blow out in unemployment levels?

[pietillidie]

^Nice try, but false. Crises will always occur; the job of leaders is to manage them and minimise their impact. Leaders are always responsible for what is within their control.

Trump has failed hopelessly both as a leader and a manager, and in contrast Moon has done very well, showing just how costly in lives and jobs the dithering mismanager Trump has been.

To repeat, SK was able to mostly keep operating because it got a handle on the crisis through early action and well-organised testing, tracing and monitoring. There were no lockdowns, although people were encouraged to limit activity because the government didn't spend weeks misleading them. Yes, even Korea will see a major spike in unemployment claims, but we're arguing degrees here, which is all leaders can influence. Unfortunately for SK, mismanagement from morons like Captain Coronavirus and Bozo the Brexit Clown mean it will be hit by the effects of their mismanagement which impacts the global economy (and you).

David was asking the question, not saying he believed that if you have two deaths you might as well have 10, or if you lose five jobs you might as well lose 10, as you're absurdly arguing in defence of a malignant wrecker.

[Wokko]

^Nice try, but false. Crises will always occur; the job of leaders is to manage them and minimise their impact. Leaders are always responsible for what is within their control.

Trump has failed hopelessly both as a leader and a manager, and in contrast Moon has done very well, showing just how costly in lives and jobs the dithering mismanager Trump has been.

To repeat, SK was able to mostly keep operating because it got a handle on the crisis through early action and well-organised testing, tracing and monitoring. There were no lockdowns, although people were encouraged to limit activity because the government didn't spend weeks misleading them. Yes, even Korea will see a major spike in unemployment claims, but we're arguing degrees here, which is all leaders can influence. Unfortunately for SK, mismanagement from morons like Captain Coronavirus and Bozo the Brexit Clown mean it will be hit by the effects of their mismanagement which impacts the global economy (and you).

David was asking the question, not saying he believed that if you have two deaths you might as well have 10, or if you lose five jobs you might as well lose 10, as you're absurdly arguing in defence of a malignant wrecker.

You obviously have no understanding of the US system, separation of powers or States rights. Your ranting is so unhinged I'd take it for parody if I didn't know better. It's gotten so predictable and boring you could copy/paste your responses and it would have as much value.

Why don't you give it a rest? I don't even bother reading your posts anymore because it's the same rubbish every time.

[Tannin]

Every time I think he's reached Peak Stupid, he goes one further.

This latest idiocy floored me.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-24/ ... t/12179212

Trump wants to inject disinfectant. Seriously! He is past stupid and well out there into seriously deranged.

[roar]

I'm actually enjoying watching to see how far he will go. Once you stop worrying about the consequences, it can be quite a fun activity.

[pietillidie]

[stui magpie]

^

If the USA did have no plan for pandemics, then that fault can be laid at the feet of congress and each POTUS for decades.

[think positive]

^

If the USA did have no plan for pandemics, then that fault can be laid at the feet of congress and each POTUS for decades.

yup

thats the thing, there is no precedent for this, you can say look at any other country all you want, but the way they are run/controlled are very different. it will tell you some, but not all.

[David]

I'm sure this has been mentioned several times in here, but Obama actually did institute a pandemic response department that got defunded by the Trump administration in 2018 as part of a cost-cutting endeavour. You can only play devil's advocate on this so far, I think, before you have to acknowledge that there have been serious blunders along the way, and that he needs to take responsibility for that.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/wor ... 064881002/

[stui magpie]

Having a plan is one thing, having a separate office to manage it is another. A pandemic plan should be developed by the department of health (or equivalent) in concert with multiple stakeholders. I don't know why you'd need a new department or office to run it.