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Lazza wrote:Am I the ONLY poster here who is really scared that this might be the beginning of a slump for us? I thought that when the Cats went up a gear in the middle of the third quarter, we looked tired and deflated, even showed some panic in the back line. The back line is especially crucial for a win against the Lions. I know we travel well and "should" beat the Lions but let me tell you that I'm extremely worried at this stage about the flat and jaded Magpie team that played the second part of the third quarter and then the fourth. Lacked cohesion, class and committment to the cause.
Not a slump as such. I actually think we may have gone into the game with a few sore players, ie: Ball, who could hardly walk after last weeks game he only had 1 tackle which tells me that maybe tacking would put too much pressure on his knee. Swan was hobbling at qtr time, Leon...well who knows what his problem is, Jolly was rumored to miss. Maybe! just maybe these players would not have played if we were not coming up against Geelong and if they are sore/injured I just hope we do not play them on the hard ground at the Gabba.
Its May and we need to make sure these guys can make it to the business end of the season, so if that means we rest them and drop a game here and there, then so be it.
Lazza wrote:Am I the ONLY poster here who is really scared that this might be the beginning of a slump for us? I thought that when the Cats went up a gear in the middle of the third quarter, we looked tired and deflated, even showed some panic in the back line. The back line is especially crucial for a win against the Lions. I know we travel well and "should" beat the Lions but let me tell you that I'm extremely worried at this stage about the flat and jaded Magpie team that played the second part of the third quarter and then the fourth. Lacked cohesion, class and committment to the cause.
Not a slump as such. I actually think we may have gone into the game with a few sore players, ie: Ball, who could hardly walk after last weeks game he only had 1 tackle which tells me that maybe tacking would put too much pressure on his knee. Swan was hobbling at qtr time, Leon...well who knows what his problem is, Jolly was rumored to miss. Maybe! just maybe these players would not have played if we were not coming up against Geelong and if they are sore/injured I just hope we do not play them on the hard ground at the Gabba.
Its May and we need to make sure these guys can make it to the business end of the season, so if that means we rest them and drop a game here and there, then so be it.
Could not agree with you more dude. I'd rather play fit players than play unfit players who need a rest. It's a very long season. I hope they only play 100% fit (or close to it) players up at the Gabba.
Kingswood wrote:we finished third in 1993 but yet the final system at that time didn't give us a double chance so we got knocked out by saints in the first week.
It was 1992.
Should remember, actually went to arctic park to watch the game.
Hmmm - Kicked too many behinds against Geelong. Kicked too many behinds and not enough goals against the Saints... Need to relax and take time on set shots. Maybe we need a good sports psychologist to get over the Geelong/St Kilda hoodoo on our forwards.. Bring back Simon Lloyd.
The bottom line is that we fail against teams which flood really well, because our ball movement around the boundary gives our opponents plenty of time to clog up our forward line. We have the talent to win a flag this year, but this will not happen while we continue to obstinately maintain a game plan which has proven itself a failure against the saints, Cats and (prior to this year) Hawks. I fear we'll have to wait until bucks takes over before we see any change as MM is just too stubborn to admit he's wrong.
RudeBoy wrote:The bottom line is that we fail against teams which flood really well, because our ball movement around the boundary gives our opponents plenty of time to clog up our forward line. We have the talent to win a flag this year, but this will not happen while we continue to obstinately maintain a game plan which has proven itself a failure against the saints, Cats and (prior to this year) Hawks. I fear we'll have to wait until bucks takes over before we see any change as MM is just too stubborn to admit he's wrong.
Very nicely put and to the point. Hard to disagree mate. Irrespective of WHO the coach is, we MUST be able to run non stop like the African wild dogs I saw on the Animal channel on pay TV last night!! Go get to the ball or put intensive and strong pressure on their ball carrier. Run in dog packs and just apply pressure, pressure, pressure all through the game. Then when you do have the ball, make sure that the field kicking and goal kicking is spot on!!
So easy to type these things (having never played any good level footy) but they must be bloody hard to execute under pressure against the REALLY top notch teams I guess.
Don't believe all is lost. In fact, while I was very disapointed, I didn't think we were too far off them.
They did have general dominance in play for longer than us. Not a great deal, but enough. Had we applied scoreboard pressure like we should have in the early in the 3rd Q, it may have been the confidence boost for us and the confidence drop for them.
If, but's and maybe's don't count for much though.
Those that say there were little positives watched a differnt game to me.
Cats dominated the 2nd Q yet only got out to a 2 gaol lead, which we hauled back in under 2 mins.
Thought our forward structure fell right away. Seemed not to be able to get from the centre line (inc wings) into the F50 with any precision. Instaed of bombing into the F50 from 60-70m out, we were doing it from 80-90m out.
Too often that kick went to a 5 on 2. It had no hope. From their they rebounded and that killed us.
Medders presenting up to the HFF or providing some tackling/roving smarts would have made a difference IMO.
I know Cats have some good players to come in (Corey and Ottens), but I didn't feel we set up right with selections or structure.
Jack needed to be in imo. Needed an extra forward.
In the end we aren't that far off IMO. If we'd had our best 22 and played well and lost by 6 goals, I'd be worried. Not the case Friday night.
Also thought we went away from our previous weeks game style. Maybe MM is keeping the powder dry. Well we'll ponder that one at the end of the season.
The last three years the H&A result was reversed in the GF.
