Coronavirus 3 - Al Pacino's turn to mumble

[eddiesmith]

It’s like how they keep bleating about having 18 months to get the vaccine rollout right, yeah, 12 months ago vaccines were still a pipe dream.

[Pies4shaw]

^ I'm not sure that's right, eddie. You'd think that they would have been planning their logistics in broad terms. If you have a blueprint, it is easier to tweak it when you are confronted by new facts (eg, two vaccines, one kills people etc). I'm not impressed that they have felt so under-prepared to run a rollout that they brought in a military commander at such a late stage. If they'd had a military supply specialist on board at the start, that wouldn't have worried me - but at this stage, it looks like they've lost confidence in the people who were doing the planning work for them.

[stui magpie]

Bringing in a military supply specialist shouldn't look like they lost confidence, it's an outright admission that they needed a supply chain logistics expert as it had been a shemozzle.

Ironically, the biggest failure in the roll out hasn't been in the logistics but in the marketing.

[eddiesmith]

^ I'm not sure that's right, eddie. You'd think that they would have been planning their logistics in broad terms. If you have a blueprint, it is easier to tweak it when you are confronted by new facts (eg, two vaccines, one kills people etc). I'm not impressed that they have felt so under-prepared to run a rollout that they brought in a military commander at such a late stage. If they'd had a military supply specialist on board at the start, that wouldn't have worried me - but at this stage, it looks like they've lost confidence in the people who were doing the planning work for them.

But given all the complaints then surely it's a smart move to shake things up? The military commander may have made sense from the start, but maybe it was like their election win, they were planning for it but didn't really think it'd happen? I'm sure we're all guilty of not really ramping something up until we have an actual date. As long as the vaccine was a possibility they may have had ideas but not seriously pushed through with plans until it became a reality.

The fact that fell over the Christmas break wouldn't have helped either and they've been chasing their tail ever since.

Where I disagree with certain Morrison haters is just how bad the **** up is to Australia, given our Covid situation, it's better to be too slow than have gone too fast and had millions more people exposed to unneccasry risks. By the same token we will learn plenty watching the UK open up with 60-70% vaccination and 20-30,000 daily cases to see how effective the vaccine is.

Why would we want to be the first ones to see what happens when we let rip with an unknown vaccine as the only protection? We're in a pretty good spot already with borders closed. State government overreactions are the only reason people feel panicked.

Let's not forget these countries are ahead of us because any potential risk of a vaccine was far less than the risk they were facing from Covid so had to make emergency approvals and move quickly. We've had more vaccine deaths than Covid deaths in 2021 and the answer according to Albo and the Labor Premiers was we should have moved quicker and risked more lives?

[pietillidie]

Ironically, the biggest failure in the roll out hasn't been in the logistics but in the marketing.

Isn't marketing part of the roll out? In any case, the procurement phase was catastrophic so there was no leeway for something going awry such as the concerns with AZ.

[Pies4shaw]

In Victoria, 0 new local cases and no new cases acquired overseas.
- 27,498 test results were received.

There are 24 active cases.

That's no new local cases for 7 days and just 1 in the past 11 days: https://covidlive.com.au/report/daily-s ... erseas/vic

[stui magpie]

This is a great article IMHO

https://www.theage.com.au/national/the- ... 58782.html

[Dave The Man]

Going for Covid Test because of my Cold/Flu Symptomsss

[Pies4shaw]

In NSW, 27 cases of community transmission. Only 13 were in isolation. 7 for part of the infectious period and 7 for all of it.

Extension of lockdown and restrictions for 1 more week.

Gladys actually said that only 13 were in isolation but that makes no sense, given the 7 +7 - I think she intended to say that 13 were not in isolation.

[npalm]

This is a great article IMHO

https://www.theage.com.au/national/the- ... 58782.html

I've been looking for a sensible risk\benefit article but I don't think this is it.
He states that "Soon enough, the great lie at the heart of Australia’s default COVID-19 elimination strategy will be exposed. The disease can’t be eliminated.

I don't think anyone is saying that the virus can be eliminated. The strategy has clearly been to suppress it until sufficient people are vaccinated.

He then says The inconvenient truth is that one day our international border will be reopened and disease will circulate here. Some people will catch it and some people will die. We should protect as many as we can but we can’t hide forever.
Well isn't that's exactly what the current strategy is? We'll suppress it until a large percentage of people are vaccinated and then we'll lift restrictions and the virus will then circulate and a (smaller than otherwise) number of people will die.

[stui magpie]

In NSW, 27 cases of community transmission. Only 13 were in isolation. 7 for part of the infectious period and 7 for all of it.

Extension of lockdown and restrictions for 1 more week.

Gladys actually said that only 13 were in isolation but that makes no sense, given the 7 +7 - I think she intended to say that 13 were not in isolation.

27 cases

13 were in isolation the whole time
7 were in isolation for part of their infectious period
7 were loose in the community

[Dave The Man]

Hopefully with Covid getting more Contagious that means won't be as Deadly

[Dave The Man]

In NSW, 27 cases of community transmission. Only 13 were in isolation. 7 for part of the infectious period and 7 for all of it.

Extension of lockdown and restrictions for 1 more week.

Gladys actually said that only 13 were in isolation but that makes no sense, given the 7 +7 - I think she intended to say that 13 were not in isolation.

27 cases

13 were in isolation the whole time
7 were in isolation for part of their infectious period
7 were loose in the community

Also 7 people in ICU in NSW

[stui magpie]

Interesting piece on the news tonight about Japan and the Olympics.

Japan is only 14% fully vaccinated and are having 1500 cases per day of the Delta variant, but will be hosting the Olympics and determined to live with the virus rather than try to eliminate it.

People (mainly Victorians) are shrieking at NSW to do a hard Victorian style lockdown of the whole state over 30 daily cases and Victoria cancels the Formula 1 GP and Moto GP due in November .

Very different risk appetites.

[eddiesmith]

Same people who think Armageddon is imminent in NSW think 500 daily cases in Israel is nothing and the UK with 20-30,000 daily cases is what we should be aiming for...