Coronavirus 4 - Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

[Pies4shaw]

There are over 3,000 COVID cases in hospital, Australia-wide. On the same day last year, the number was 35.

[What'sinaname]

Globally, COVID deaths have been consistently declining since December 7, even while cases in that time have trebled.

[Pies4shaw]

^ You must know that's just a nonsense way of looking at things. Cases have increased, worldwide, by about 85% week on week in the last fortnight - but if people are going to die from the new cases, they're going to die in a few weeks' time, not now. It isn't complex.

The people who assess these things in the UK take the view that Omicron is about 40% as likely as Delta to cause serious illness. If that's right and cases double, the numbers of serious cases and deaths should be about 80% of what they would have been with Delta.

By contrast, if cases go up from an average of 1,500 per day to 55,000 per day (and likely much more), as is the rough position in Australia, that means deaths (at the 0.25% rate we've typically seen for Alpha and Delta in most places with advanced health-care systems) will likely increase (eventually, as the disease works its way through its course) from about 30 per week to nearly 800 per week. In Australia, the death rate seems to have been a bit higher, so maybe it means an increase from 50 to 800, over time. It's not nothing.

I have no idea whether the 40% estimate is correct - but that's the figure apparently competent experts have been using.

Also, of course, that's without taking any sane account of either the impact on the public health system of massive increases in the numbers of people hospitalised with COVID (and the consequent impact on other people with other serious illnesses) or the impact of "long COVID", which - it appears - can be a consequence of any COVID infection, howsoever "mildly" symptomatic on the primary infection.

[stui magpie]

There are over 3,000 COVID cases in hospital, Australia-wide. On the same day last year, the number was 35.

3 months ago it was 1500. Brad Hazard has stated that 40% of the Covid patients in NSW Hospitals aren't in their because of Covid, they are in there for other unrelated reasons but because they tested positive they are included in the stats.

In unrelated news, I had the interesting experience this morning of getting a hair cut while wearing a mask.

[think positive]

if you still think this covid wave is a non event, please read this, and just pretend its your relative

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australi ... d=msedgntp

Can't be all that dangerous when they hand out exemptions for athletes.

To be fair, Djokovic being granted a medical exemption from getting vaccinated has nothing to do with how virulent Omicron is. The two things aren't related.

As far as the linked article goes, I can empathise with the old blokes family but his situation is really more about unfortunate timing than the severity of the current wave.

He should not get an exemption, end of story.

Unfortunately timing? Not really, they don’t want him in the hot room with potential Covid cases, s yes it is about the wave, not to mention thanks to civic they can’t be with him. I don’t really think there is ever a good time for an 87 year old to get sick enough for hospital, no matter how good his innings but as P4S says, it’s far easier to not care when it’s not your relative in pain

[stui magpie]

I know how the exemption process works, I had to research it for work. It's quite strict and if it's been done in accordance with ATAGI guidelines and the Australian Immunisation Register, there's no bureaucratic discretion.

https://www.health.vic.gov.au/medical-e ... dance-word

I suspect he's been given a temporary exemption, long enough to come in, compete and leave. I have no time for him, he's a twat, and I'm disappointed he's got the exemption.

In regard to the article, the biggest issue as I read it was timing, with services closed over Christmas. At the moment you wouldn't want to be admitting anyone to Hospital let alone a confused 87 yr old who you can't visit due to Covid.

[What'sinaname]

^ You must know that's just a nonsense way of looking at things. Cases have increased, worldwide, by about 85% week on week in the last fortnight - but if people are going to die from the new cases, they're going to die in a few weeks' time, not now. It isn't complex.

The people who assess these things in the UK take the view that Omicron is about 40% as likely as Delta to cause serious illness. If that's right and cases double, the numbers of serious cases and deaths should be about 80% of what they would have been with Delta.

By contrast, if cases go up from an average of 1,500 per day to 55,000 per day (and likely much more), as is the rough position in Australia, that means deaths (at the 0.25% rate we've typically seen for Alpha and Delta in most places with advanced health-care systems) will likely increase (eventually, as the disease works its way through its course) from about 30 per week to nearly 800 per week. In Australia, the death rate seems to have been a bit higher, so maybe it means an increase from 50 to 800, over time. It's not nothing.

I have no idea whether the 40% estimate is correct - but that's the figure apparently competent experts have been using.

Also, of course, that's without taking any sane account of either the impact on the public health system of massive increases in the numbers of people hospitalised with COVID (and the consequent impact on other people with other serious illnesses) or the impact of "long COVID", which - it appears - can be a consequence of any COVID infection, howsoever "mildly" symptomatic on the primary infection.

Nonsense hey. So why did you compare last week's cases and deaths in Canada?

[Pies4shaw]

I didn't. I compared the previous week with the last week. If you can't keep up, give it away.

[Pies4shaw]

There are over 3,000 COVID cases in hospital, Australia-wide. On the same day last year, the number was 35.

3 months ago it was 1500. Brad Hazard has stated that 40% of the Covid patients in NSW Hospitals aren't in their because of Covid, they are in there for other unrelated reasons but because they tested positive they are included in the stats.

So, the number of COVID hospitalizations - however incompetently various State and Territory authorities record things - is way higher today than it has ever been, which was, of course, my point.

[stui magpie]

Valid and correct point, but you undermine your argument randomly comparing with 12 months ago.

If you look at mid September when the Delta wave was rushing through NSW they were having daily case numbers around 1500 with around 1200 cases in Hospital, 230 in ICU with 120 ventilated.

Now NSW is doing over 35,000 daily cases, nearly 1500 in Hospital, 119 in ICU and 32 ventilated.

[roar]

I'm not sure anything can be done now as it spread too far for the tests to keep up. Stay home if you don't feel right seems to be the sensible approach. I really wish we had taken the fortress Australia approach but I'm in the minority there.

[Dave The Man]

if you still think this covid wave is a non event, please read this, and just pretend its your relative

https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australi ... d=msedgntp

Can't be all that dangerous when they hand out exemptions for athletes.

To be fair, Djokovic being granted a medical exemption from getting vaccinated has nothing to do with how virulent Omicron is. The two things aren't related.

As far as the linked article goes, I can empathise with the old blokes family but his situation is really more about unfortunate timing than the severity of the current wave.

Shows Double Standards as Novak can come in quite Easily where other people who are NOT Famous and Rich can't

[Dave The Man]

I know how the exemption process works, I had to research it for work. It's quite strict and if it's been done in accordance with ATAGI guidelines and the Australian Immunisation Register, there's no bureaucratic discretion.

https://www.health.vic.gov.au/medical-e ... dance-word

I suspect he's been given a temporary exemption, long enough to come in, compete and leave. I have no time for him, he's a twat, and I'm disappointed he's got the exemption.

In regard to the article, the biggest issue as I read it was timing, with services closed over Christmas. At the moment you wouldn't want to be admitting anyone to Hospital let alone a confused 87 yr old who you can't visit due to Covid.

I hope he gets Booed and Knocked Out in the 1st Round

Total Knob he is

[Dave The Man]

I'm not sure anything can be done now as it spread too far for the tests to keep up. Stay home if you don't feel right seems to be the sensible approach. I really wish we had taken the fortress Australia approach but I'm in the minority there.

I agree that when Omincorn we should of Closed International Borders as that probably only way you stop it coming into the Country but Problem is probably still get in anyway

[Pies4shaw]