Post Match. Lions pip Pies - all comments

[Lazza]

[Lazza]

[One%er]

OK we all know that the pies will lose more than they win at the Gabba and Etihad. Those places are big bloody walls for us to get over.

For the people talking about Ball: We knew he had kicking problems when we got him, but the extra clearances have paid for that already by my reckoning.

I would bet on us losing next week as well, it is a mid season slump and it will take a few games to wear off. If it does at all.

Lets hope the lads can just get it out of their system.

[Piesnchess]

^ Yes mate, its the inconsistency that gets me. This is no new malaise,its being going on now for a long time, Bucks recognised it last season, when he said we lift for the big games, but take lower clubs for granted,and we get bitten big time. We will pobably come out and smash the doggies this week, cos we are fired up, maybe the underdogs, then we will possibly lose the following week to the Dees,-i damn well hope not-but it would not surprise me. Its the inconsistency that gets me, and it has gone on for a long time now, I dont blame MM totally for it, but as coach he must accept some of the blame, he is very well paid, the buck stops with him.

[Pied Piper]

[ktszyu1]

I'm beginning to really worry about our rucks. Jolly is getting beaten every week. Wood is seriously useless. We've spent pick 14 + pick 14 + pick 46 on these guys. Jack Grimes [star] went pick 14 when we traded it for Wood. Last year, guys like Fyfe, Jetta, Duncan and Bastinac went around pick 14. Mumford went to Sydney for pick 28!!! He's dominating!!

I think we've paid far too much for ruckmen who simply aren't delivering. Perhaps it's our ruck coach? There is something wrong in this department.

[Lazza]

^ Yes mate, its the inconsistency that gets me. This is no new malaise,its being going on now for a long time, Bucks recognised it last season, when he said we lift for the big games, but take lower clubs for granted,and we get bitten big time. We will pobably come out and smash the doggies this week, cos we are fired up, maybe the underdogs, then we will possibly lose the following week to the Dees,-i damn well hope not-but it would not surprise me. Its the inconsistency that gets me, and it has gone on for a long time now, I dont blame MM totally for it, but as coach he must accept some of the blame, he is very well paid, the buck stops with him.

Couldn't agree more mate.
TBH the posters tat gave me the shits were not those who merely predicted a Collingwood win (which I can handle) but said things like we will win by over 70 points!! Based on WHAT the previous week? A beating from Geelong? A sure set up for failure!!
FWIW, I think the pies will stuggle against the Bullies this week. A slump is happening.

[rocketronnie]

Form slump or are our own injury concerns/outs affecting us?

We were missing two key small forwards (Medhurst/Davis) the other night and replaced them with a tall forward with flaws (Anthony). We are also missing our other key ruckman in Fraser. Wood might be alright in the long run maybe but he doesn't have Fraser's presence, experience or decision making ability. I think we missed Lockyer and Leigh Brown on Saturday night also. Lockyer provides a lot of leadership to the younger smaller mids and that was missing on the night. Reid may be developing okay as a CHB option but asking him to contain Jonathan Brown was beyond his development. That was a job crying out for Leigh Brown.

The delivery into the forward line was awful, particularly in the second half, ball carriers were pressured leading to bombed deliveries, plus a lack of confidence in the forwards due to a lack of presentation, movement, and involvement.

I'm always surprised at just how much people on this site chronically underestimate our opposition. The Lion's though undermanned, have some great players whose skill and will to win should never be under-estimated. it seems we are happy to discount the skills of the opposition as suporters and then are shocked when these same players turn around and bite us on the bum. Maybe our boys should be better, but calling a champion a hack doesn't make him one in my experience. There are no easy wins in the AFL these days and to expect there are is just a fantasy.

[Lazza]

I'm always surprised at just how much people on this site chronically underestimate our opposition. The Lion's though undermanned, have some great players whose skill and will to win should never be under-estimated. it seems we are happy to discount the skills of the opposition as suporters and then are shocked when these same players turn around and bite us on the bum. Maybe our boys should be better, but calling a champion a hack doesn't make him one in my experience. There are no easy wins in the AFL these days and to expect there are is just a fantasy.

Post of the year!! This should be a sticky and compulsory reading for all posters here. How true these comments are. Hit the nail right on the head mate. This "we're going to win by 100 points" crap is both bloody juvenile and totally unrealistic.

[watt price tully]

Form slump or are our own injury concerns/outs affecting us?

We were missing two key small forwards (Medhurst/Davis) the other night and replaced them with a tall forward with flaws (Anthony). We are also missing our other key ruckman in Fraser. Wood might be alright in the long run maybe but he doesn't have Fraser's presence, experience or decision making ability. I think we missed Lockyer and Leigh Brown on Saturday night also. Lockyer provides a lot of leadership to the younger smaller mids and that was missing on the night. Reid may be developing okay as a CHB option but asking him to contain Jonathan Brown was beyond his development. That was a job crying out for Leigh Brown.

The delivery into the forward line was awful, particularly in the second half, ball carriers were pressured leading to bombed deliveries, plus a lack of confidence in the forwards due to a lack of presentation, movement, and involvement.

I'm always surprised at just how much people on this site chronically underestimate our opposition. The Lion's though undermanned, have some great players whose skill and will to win should never be under-estimated. it seems we are happy to discount the skills of the opposition as suporters and then are shocked when these same players turn around and bite us on the bum. Maybe our boys should be better, but calling a champion a hack doesn't make him one in my experience. There are no easy wins in the AFL these days and to expect there are is just a fantasy.

Well written post RR.

You didn't drape yourself in the the Australian flag, you didn't drape yourself in Voltaire as a means of saying how wonderful you are as though others who don't drape themselves accordingly must therefore be opposite, you didn't accuse others of being pro or anti Eddie, you didn't apportion blame & called like it is.

Astonishing these days!!

[HAL]

I'm always surprised at just how much people on this site chronically underestimate our opposition. The Lion's though undermanned, have some great players whose skill and will to win should never be under-estimated. it seems we are happy to discount the skills of the opposition as suporters and then are shocked when these same players turn around and bite us on the bum. Maybe our boys should be better, but calling a champion a hack doesn't make him one in my experience. There are no easy wins in the AFL these days and to expect there are is just a fantasy.

Post of the year!! This should be a sticky and compulsory reading for all posters here. How true these comments are. Hit the nail right on the head mate. This "we're going to win by 100 points" crap is both bloody juvenile and totally unrealistic.

To me it is a bit of a surprise.

[Pied Piper]

Both posts above are completely correct. It's as if supporters think Collingwood are playing (with) themselves.

All teams have strengths and weaknesses. They seek to play to those strengths and negate the opposition's while at the same time exploiting the opposition's weaknesses.

On Saturday night, Brisbane collared us by exploiting one of our weak links: an inexperienced defender against one of the best centre half-forwards in the modern game. Reid has been improving and deserved a chance to play on Brown, but by half-time, he was having his pants pulled down: Brown had seven marks, had two goals three on the board, and was threatening to take the game apart. On top of that, one of our strengths, Heath Shaw's run off half-back, had been negated by an effective tagger, Justin Sherman.

I won't repeat myself further but you get the drift. Our team is still developing in key areas. We saw it again the week before when Matthew Scarlett, one of the game's best ever defenders, gave Chris Dawes a hiding.

[watt price tully]

Both posts above are completely correct. It's as if supporters think Collingwood are playing (with) themselves.

All teams have strengths and weaknesses. They seek to play to those strengths and negate the opposition's while at the same time exploiting the opposition's weaknesses.

On Saturday night, Brisbane collared us by exploiting one of our weak links: an inexperienced defender against one of the best centre half-forwards in the modern game. Reid has been improving and deserved a chance to play on Brown, but by half-time, he was having his pants pulled down: Brown had seven marks, had two goals three on the board, and was threatening to take the game apart. On top of that, one of our strengths, Heath Shaw's run off half-back, had been negated by an effective tagger, Justin Sherman.

I won't repeat myself further but you get the drift. Our team is still developing in key areas. We saw it again the week before when Matthew Scarlett, one of the game's best ever defenders, gave Chris Dawes a hiding.

Nice report on the Sunday paper.

[Pied Piper]

^ Thank you.

[3rd degree]

We definitely got it wrong at the selection table, I think LeRoy would have been good for unnerving revolta and caketin head. Chopper was out of his depth on Brown, but will be good on lighter less expierenced opponents, I thought we played too loose and gave them too much space, we really miss Medhurst.

Was happy with Sidey , Thomas and Presti, I still think the Zone can kill us on the rebound. Very pissed to see Revolta hurt us. We will keep fighting chin up lets take it to the dogs.