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What'sinaname wrote:As the unvaccinated become more and more naturally immune, we'll start to see the disease being one of the vaccinated.
Last I checked, vaccination was still more protective than natural immunity across the population because the latter is the more variable and therefore unreliable protection. However, people who got Covid and then got vaccinated have the best immuniity (though rolling the dice to get there).
So, unless new data has emerged, vaccination is expected to be the most protective and even more so as next-gen vaccines become broader spectrum.
The blind assumption that natural immunity is superior to and/or longer-lasting than vaccine immunity is a dangerous one.
What'sinaname wrote:As the unvaccinated become more and more naturally immune, we'll start to see the disease being one of the vaccinated.
Last I checked, vaccination was still more protective than natural immunity across the population because the latter is the more variable and therefore unreliable protection. However, people who got Covid and then got vaccinated have the best immuniity (though rolling the dice to get there).
So, unless new data has emerged, vaccination is expected to be the most protective and even more so as next-gen vaccines become broader spectrum.
The blind assumption that natural immunity is superior to and/or longer-lasting than vaccine immunity is a dangerous one.
So people are arguing that it’s better to remain unvaccinated because it gives you better protection from the disease than a vaccination does?Really,some of the things you read in this forum are totally bizarre and defy all logic.
What'sinaname wrote:As the unvaccinated become more and more naturally immune, we'll start to see the disease being one of the vaccinated.
Last I checked, vaccination was still more protective than natural immunity across the population because the latter is the more variable and therefore unreliable protection. However, people who got Covid and then got vaccinated have the best immuniity (though rolling the dice to get there).
So, unless new data has emerged, vaccination is expected to be the most protective and even more so as next-gen vaccines become broader spectrum.
The blind assumption that natural immunity is superior to and/or longer-lasting than vaccine immunity is a dangerous one.
So people are arguing that it’s better to remain unvaccinated because it gives you better protection from the disease than a vaccination does?Really,some of the things you read in this forum are totally bizarre and defy all logic.
Only if they live to tell the tale!! Lol
Meanwhile I’m sure someone I know faked infection to get a 6 month exemption from getting the jab. That bad fairy on my right shoulder is saying I hope the bastard gets it!
You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either!
Short answer, there's a shitpile more vaccinated people than unvaccinated people and underlying health conditions make people more vulnerable even when fully vaccinated.
As a percentage of population, unvaccinated people are very much over represented in ICU, which means the vaccines are doing their job.
Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down.
^ in Victoria, just under 90% of people are fully vaccinated and just under 80% of all people hospitalised are fully vaccinated vaccinated. So yes, an over-reprersentation but not a very much over-representation.
I think underlying health conditions are a bigger influence on the impact of COVID than vaccination status.
According to a recent Victorian Chief Health Officer update, unvaccinated people accounted for 22.8 per cent of people in hospital and 35.8 per cent of people in ICU, despite making up less than 6 per cent of the population.
All other things being equal, underlying medical conditions definitely have an impact, but the same applies for vaccinations.
Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down.
According to a recent Victorian Chief Health Officer update, unvaccinated people accounted for 22.8 per cent of people in hospital and 35.8 per cent of people in ICU, despite making up less than 6 per cent of the population.
All other things being equal, underlying medical conditions definitely have an impact, but the same applies for vaccinations.
CHO is mixing and matching his figures. If we are still 44 days away from 95% of 16+ having their first jab, I am not sure how 94% of the entire Vic population is vaccinated.
With today's 83 reported deaths, there have now been 1,700 deaths in Australia from COVID reported since 5 January 2022. Half of all the 3,987 COVID deaths in Australia since the commencement of the pandemic have been reported since 28 November 2021.
The various governments obviously failed to recognize that the sheer weight of numbers would make Omicron more dangerous to public health, more of an imposition on our economy and our hospitals and more deadly than prior versions of COVID - notwithstanding the number of "fully vaccinated" adults in the population by the time Omicron arrived in mid to late November 2021.
I'm a little worried to hear about Andrews' push for "fully vaccinated" status to shift from two shots to three (for purposes of being able to participate in public life). I only became eligible to have a booster shot this week, but having just had COVID I don't think it would be wise for me to get it right away. That certainly seems to be the advice of at least some medical experts:
The current ATAGI advice is that you can have your booster once you have recovered from the acute infection.
But based on vaccinology principles, it would be reasonable to consider waiting at least three months after you’re well to get your booster dose. A COVID infection stimulates the immune system like a vaccine, meaning you will produce antibodies that help increase your protection against COVID.
She goes on to recommend that children wait at least a month after testing positive to be vaccinated, which kind of makes sense. The question is: will any move to make a third vaccine mandatory take such considerations into account? Or if you're in my situation, as I'm sure many are, will you have to make a choice between doing something that's not optimal for your health or others' (in terms of ensuring adequate recovery from COVID and also providing maximum protection from spreading it in future) and potentially not being able to work, travel or go to the shops?
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David wrote:I'm a little worried to hear about Andrews' push for "fully vaccinated" status to shift from two shots to three (for purposes of being able to participate in public life). I only became eligible to have a booster shot this week, but having just had COVID I don't think it would be wise for me to get it right away. That certainly seems to be the advice of at least some medical experts:
The current ATAGI advice is that you can have your booster once you have recovered from the acute infection.
But based on vaccinology principles, it would be reasonable to consider waiting at least three months after you’re well to get your booster dose. A COVID infection stimulates the immune system like a vaccine, meaning you will produce antibodies that help increase your protection against COVID.
She goes on to recommend that children wait at least a month after testing positive to be vaccinated, which kind of makes sense. The question is: will any move to make a third vaccine mandatory take such considerations into account? Or if you're in my situation, as I'm sure many are, will you have to make a choice between doing something that's not optimal for your health or others' (in terms of ensuring adequate recovery from COVID and also providing maximum protection from spreading it in future) and potentially not being able to work, travel or go to the shops?
Simple answer to that is to consult your GP.
Having had Covid means you can be given a genuine medical exemption, registered with AIR which gives you the same rights as whatever is considered a "fully vaccinated" person is.
My guess would be that having caught Covid at the time your booster was due, waiting a couple of months before getting the booster would be best as that should then see you through Winter, but different GP's will have different opinions.
2 unvaccinated people at my last employer got Covid. One was given a 3 month exemption by their GP, the other was told to get vaccinated.
Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down.
According to a recent Victorian Chief Health Officer update, unvaccinated people accounted for 22.8 per cent of people in hospital and 35.8 per cent of people in ICU, despite making up less than 6 per cent of the population.
All other things being equal, underlying medical conditions definitely have an impact, but the same applies for vaccinations.
So be Vaccinated with underlying medical conditions also make a Big Difference?
