Coronavirus 3 - Al Pacino's turn to mumble

[KenH]

Any idea yet which decade Australia will allow people to visit without quarantine? Covid passports not being planned at some level of vaccination? Both the EU and the UK have rolled one out.

My mother will have to live to 128.

Will be ages and so it should be, we don't need to risk more infections here it is rampant and out of control in Europe, sorry but we shouldn't risk it.

[pietillidie]

51,525,615 cases and 1,134,072 deaths in Europe so far. 838,000 cases and nearly 7,300 deaths in the last 7 days. Of course there's a "COVID passport" - the place is full of sick and dead people - it doesn't really matter who goes where there, it's all a giant bucket of virus and pus.

If everyone in Europe isn't dead by then, call us in, say, 2060. Otherwise, do a couple of weeks in quarantine.

Geez, those defensive Australian nerves are frayed. Next, Morrison will have you praising the Lord for Australia's success at Hillsong.

It was a forward-looking question, albeit sarcastic, on the slim chance someone in government somewhere has started planning ahead.

So, no vaccination passport planned? No vaccination level or criteria set for policy changes? No interest in even working through an educated guess on exiting the current arrangement at some point?

I can actually read elsewhere, but seeing as the thread is 200 pages long I thought someone might know more than Google. Apparently, no one knows more than Facebook, let alone Google.

[Pies4shaw]

In Victoria, 2 new local cases and 0 new cases acquired overseas.
- 21,417 test results were received.

The Government says that "The two new locally-acquired cases are linked to the current outbreaks and all have been in quarantine throughout their infectious period."

[stui magpie]

51,525,615 cases and 1,134,072 deaths in Europe so far. 838,000 cases and nearly 7,300 deaths in the last 7 days. Of course there's a "COVID passport" - the place is full of sick and dead people - it doesn't really matter who goes where there, it's all a giant bucket of virus and pus.

If everyone in Europe isn't dead by then, call us in, say, 2060. Otherwise, do a couple of weeks in quarantine.

Geez, those defensive Australian nerves are frayed. Next, Morrison will have you praising the Lord for Australia's success at Hillsong.

It was a forward-looking question, albeit sarcastic, on the slim chance someone in government somewhere has started planning ahead.

So, no vaccination passport planned? No vaccination level or criteria set for policy changes? No interest in even working through an educated guess on exiting the current arrangement at some point?

I can actually read elsewhere, but seeing as the thread is 200 pages long I thought someone might know more than Google. Apparently, no one knows more than Facebook, let alone Google.

70 of the population fully vaccinated is the first target.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-30/ ... /100339314

It would seem the Premiers in particular have no risk appetite and that people in general have changed.

We've seemingly got used to living with restrictions and generally have no appetite for the kinds of case and death numbers we see overseas. That may change as Delta is increasingly harder to contain or may not.

[Pies4shaw]

SE Qld has extended its lockdown until Sunday, on the back of 13 new cases reported today.

[pietillidie]

51,525,615 cases and 1,134,072 deaths in Europe so far. 838,000 cases and nearly 7,300 deaths in the last 7 days. Of course there's a "COVID passport" - the place is full of sick and dead people - it doesn't really matter who goes where there, it's all a giant bucket of virus and pus.

If everyone in Europe isn't dead by then, call us in, say, 2060. Otherwise, do a couple of weeks in quarantine.

Geez, those defensive Australian nerves are frayed. Next, Morrison will have you praising the Lord for Australia's success at Hillsong.

It was a forward-looking question, albeit sarcastic, on the slim chance someone in government somewhere has started planning ahead.

So, no vaccination passport planned? No vaccination level or criteria set for policy changes? No interest in even working through an educated guess on exiting the current arrangement at some point?

I can actually read elsewhere, but seeing as the thread is 200 pages long I thought someone might know more than Google. Apparently, no one knows more than Facebook, let alone Google.

70 of the population fully vaccinated is the first target.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-07-30/ ... /100339314

It would seem the Premiers in particular have no risk appetite and that people in general have changed.

We've seemingly got used to living with restrictions and generally have no appetite for the kinds of case and death numbers we see overseas. That may change as Delta is increasingly harder to contain or may not.

Thanks. 70% by the end of the year, which will mean later. Then there's the problem of vaccinated people still being spreaders to some extent, which given Australia's caution will sustain an international ban or quarantine indefinitely.

In contrast, we were the only ones on the street with masks today. They just refuse to take it seriously here and think it's over already.

[Pies4shaw]

In NSW, 207 new cases. "At least 50" were infectious in the community, says Gladys. I'll post the detail when NSW Health releases that on twitter.

[Pies4shaw]

So, what NSW Health says is:

Eighty-nine cases were in isolation throughout their infectious period and 21 cases were in isolation for part of their infectious period. Fifty-one cases were infectious in the community, and the isolation status of 46 cases remains under investigation.

So, it's 118 "wild" cases yesterday.

[stui magpie]

An opinion piece from the Sydney Morning Herald. It was Posted in full so people could read it here and comment, you've had your chance, now it's cut back to the headline..

It makes some interesting points, what do people think? Agree or disagree?

For the last year, Australians back home looked at the UK like a post-apocalyptic COVID wasteland. By contrast, Australia was bliss. Early border closures, harsh lockdowns and meticulous contact tracing pushed cases to zero. But the tables have turned. The UK is moving on while Australia seems to be suddenly trapped in a COVID nightmare.

The zero COVID strategy is no longer achievable. NSW’s world-leading contact tracers have met their match with the fast-spreading Delta variant. Cases continue to increase even within a lockdown. This wave may never disappear.

But even if it were still possible, the goal of elimination is no longer desirable now that we have vaccines. To keep cases down requires severe social restrictions, regular and indefinite lockdowns, and closed domestic and international borders. This is economically devastating. Businesses are shutting, jobs are being lost and the country is on the cusp of another recession.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/britain ... 58etl.html

I'm sure it will be tempting to attack the author, I'd rather see some decent dissection on his view.

FWIW, I agree with the article, but not yet. We need to get a lot more people vaccinated first and stick a lot more AZ in people's arms rather than in bins.

[Pies4shaw]

In Victoria, 4 new local cases and 1 new case acquired overseas (currently in HQ).
- 22,217 test results were received.

The Government says that "The four new locally-acquired cases are linked to the current outbreaks and all have been in quarantine throughout their infectious period."

[Pies4shaw]

In Qld, 16 new cases, all linked to the Indooroopilly cluster.

[David]

[Pies4shaw]

In NSW (from NSW Health's twitter):

NSW recorded 199 new locally acquired cases of COVID-19 in the 24 hours to 8pm last night.

Of these locally acquired cases, 88 are linked to a known case or cluster, 67 are household contacts and 21 are close contacts. Source of infection for 111 cases is under investigation.

70 cases were in isolation throughout their infectious period and 32 cases were in isolation for part of their infectious period. 50 cases were infectious in the community, and the isolation status of 47 cases remains under investigation.

So, that's 129 "wild" cases (up from 118, yesterday).

[Pies4shaw]

Just on the UK, the Government is presently only reporting deaths within 28 days of a first positive test. That under-enumerates the number of deaths for which COVID is a cause.

There's nothing especially pernicious in that (they took that step in August 2020, knowing full well that it under-stated deaths by about 12% - at that time). Nevertheless, the present numbers suggest that the under-enumeration is presently in excess of 15%, bearing in mind that the reported deaths of about 130,000 are as at yesterday, whereas total deaths by registration are as at a fortnight earlier (and, further, there is a lag in recording registrations of about 11 days, so that the approximately 153,000 registered deaths is as at about the 6th of July, give or take): https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths

[Pies4shaw]

The PM is speaking. He says that swift, sharp lockdown is now "the first response" to a Delta outbreak.