Pre Match: Pies v. Tigers - all comments please

[AN_Inkling]

Lose one of our best defenders and bring back our worst

Next thing we know he will be putting Maxwell on Riewoldt to see if he can break the record for most goals in a game

This one might be closer than expected

No, that's Presti's job, you see, or Ben Reid's. Maxwell is the third defender, as you well know, and uses his anticipation and reading of the play to provide rebound while still being prepared to use his courage to get in the way of the opposition's leading targets.

There's not much point criticising a player for what he isn't; you might as well criticise Maxy for not kicking enough goals. He has a role that plays to his strengths - strengths which astute football judges recognise, but you refuse to acknowledge, because you are refusing to let go of an old grudge. And that says more about you than Nick Maxwell.

By the way, weren't you predicting we'd get flogged last week?

Welcome back skipper.

Yes. And the lack of pretty much all you've posted above, is why Goldsack doesn't have a place in our best 22 just yet. He can take the 3rd or 4th best forward and shut them down. But that's not enough. if you want to be a lockdown defender with little offense to your game, you've got to be a top 2 tall defender, or the top small defender. Tyson's neither at this stage.

[think better]

I'm quite nervous

We had such a big game last week I hope we don't fall flat after that.

Richmond are big improvers this year and I am a bit worried.

[jackcass]

Play angry Pies... and I think we will.

not another Cloke brainfade please...

[eddiesmith]

Lose one of our best defenders and bring back our worst

Next thing we know he will be putting Maxwell on Riewoldt to see if he can break the record for most goals in a game

This one might be closer than expected

No, that's Presti's job, you see, or Ben Reid's. Maxwell is the third defender, as you well know, and uses his anticipation and reading of the play to provide rebound while still being prepared to use his courage to get in the way of the opposition's leading targets.

There's not much point criticising a player for what he isn't; you might as well criticise Maxy for not kicking enough goals. He has a role that plays to his strengths - strengths which astute football judges recognise, but you refuse to acknowledge, because you are refusing to let go of an old grudge. And that says more about you than Nick Maxwell.

By the way, weren't you predicting we'd get flogged last week?

Welcome back skipper.

Yes. And the lack of pretty much all you've posted above, is why Goldsack doesn't have a place in our best 22 just yet. He can take the 3rd or 4th best forward and shut them down. But that's not enough. if you want to be a lockdown defender with little offense to your game, you've got to be a top 2 tall defender, or the top small defender. Tyson's neither at this stage.

But you have Nick Maxwell with 15-20 helicopters a match or Goldsack hitting a target 10/10

Maxwell may be regarded as a rebounding defender, but his skill level sucks and how many do we need? Reid, Shaw, O'Brien, Toovey, Johnson all rebound effectively, hell I would rather Presti with the ball than Maxwell

Given Reid is our no2 defender but also a top rebounder, then we can afford a shutdown defender and we desperately need one, Maxwell often has 7-8 goals kicked on him as Mick tries to find an opponent he can actually stop

Every single one of our defenders except Maxwell has the ability to play a total shutdown job, surely thats still the no1 role of a defender? Especially whilst we dont have the side to win shootouts against quality opposition

Oh and I would agree that it would be great to see Dawes kick 10 goals as it means he actually touched it 10 times minimum, a good improvement it would be

[thebaldfacts]

The benefit of being 12 -3 -1 after 16 rounds. Shaw obviously has a minor back complaint, so rest him to make sure he gets it right. Things would be different if we were struggling to make top 4 and had to play everyone. This is good player management and is freshning players up for the finals. (Even Cloke's suspension may well turn out to be a blessing in disguise).

[swoop42]

One wonders if they've fast tracked the return of Maxwell due to the growing discussion on forums like this questioning the merits of his placement in the side ahead of Goldsack.

I've found it somewhat surprising that some on here who usually choose not to give strong opinion on individual players preferring to support the chosen 22 each week seem to be a little more forthcoming in querying his value to the side in place of Tyson.

[Pied Piper]

But you have Nick Maxwell with 15-20 helicopters a match or Goldsack hitting a target 10/10

Maxwell may be regarded as a rebounding defender, but his skill level sucks and how many do we need? Reid, Shaw, O'Brien, Toovey, Johnson all rebound effectively, hell I would rather Presti with the ball than Maxwell

Given Reid is our no2 defender but also a top rebounder, then we can afford a shutdown defender and we desperately need one, Maxwell often has 7-8 goals kicked on him as Mick tries to find an opponent he can actually stop

Every single one of our defenders except Maxwell has the ability to play a total shutdown job, surely thats still the no1 role of a defender? Especially whilst we dont have the side to win shootouts against quality opposition

Oh and I would agree that it would be great to see Dawes kick 10 goals as it means he actually touched it 10 times minimum, a good improvement it would be

Seriously, what's your problem eddie? Want to detail the nature of your conflict of interest here, so at least everything you say in regards to Nick Maxwell has a big disclaiming asterisk next to it?

If you're not lying - and I'm starting to not want to give you the benefit of the doubt on this, because this is so obviously personal to you - then you're being deliberately misleading.

Fact: Nick Maxwell is averaging 16.3 disposals in 11 completed games this year at 81% efficiency. That's this year, not last year when he was made an All-Australian. If you want to pick on poor users of the footy, Nick Maxwell's a strange choice. And don't tell me they're all cheap kicks across half-back, either. That would be another lie.

Plus six one percenters a game and 3.6 rebound 50s. Plus the exceptional courage he brings to every contest and the leadership he provides. The respect he commands from his players and coaches. The respect he's also earned from seasoned judges outside the club.

Heath Shaw isn't primarily a stopper at half-back; he's actually a bit loose and can struggle when made accountable. You're not calling for his head. Alan Toovey notoriously isn't a good kick; you're not picking on him for errant disposal.

In short, eddiesmith, you're full of shit. This isn't about Nick Maxwell at all. It's all about your petty little grudge. Well eddiesmith, the club moved on a long time ago. Maybe it's time you did too.

[Podpicken]

Bagging Maxwell is laughable.

Welcome back, skipper, you're back where you belong.

[Usurper]

In short, eddiesmith, you're full of shit. This isn't about Nick Maxwell at all. It's all about your petty little grudge. Well eddiesmith, the club moved on a long time ago. Maybe it's time you did too.

+1.

Welcome back Cap'n.

[Penguin Pie]

But you have Nick Maxwell with 15-20 helicopters a match or Goldsack hitting a target 10/10

Maxwell may be regarded as a rebounding defender, but his skill level sucks and how many do we need? Reid, Shaw, O'Brien, Toovey, Johnson all rebound effectively, hell I would rather Presti with the ball than Maxwell

Given Reid is our no2 defender but also a top rebounder, then we can afford a shutdown defender and we desperately need one, Maxwell often has 7-8 goals kicked on him as Mick tries to find an opponent he can actually stop

Every single one of our defenders except Maxwell has the ability to play a total shutdown job, surely thats still the no1 role of a defender? Especially whilst we dont have the side to win shootouts against quality opposition

Oh and I would agree that it would be great to see Dawes kick 10 goals as it means he actually touched it 10 times minimum, a good improvement it would be

Seriously, what's your problem eddie? Want to detail the nature of your conflict of interest here, so at least everything you say in regards to Nick Maxwell has a big disclaiming asterisk next to it?

If you're not lying - and I'm starting to not want to give you the benefit of the doubt on this, because this is so obviously personal to you - then you're being deliberately misleading.

Fact: Nick Maxwell is averaging 16.3 disposals in 11 completed games this year at 81% efficiency. That's this year, not last year when he was made an All-Australian. If you want to pick on poor users of the footy, Nick Maxwell's a strange choice. And don't tell me they're all cheap kicks across half-back, either. That would be another lie.

Plus six one percenters a game and 3.6 rebound 50s. Plus the exceptional courage he brings to every contest and the leadership he provides. The respect he commands from his players and coaches. The respect he's also earned from seasoned judges outside the club.

Heath Shaw isn't primarily a stopper at half-back; he's actually a bit loose and can struggle when made accountable. You're not calling for his head. Alan Toovey notoriously isn't a good kick; you're not picking on him for errant disposal.

In short, eddiesmith, you're full of shit. This isn't about Nick Maxwell at all. It's all about your petty little grudge. Well eddiesmith, the club moved on a long time ago. Maybe it's time you did too.

Well said Piper! But whenever you call Eddie on his oh-so-obvious grudge against Maxwell, he either doesn't answer or tries to deflect with some more BS facts and opinions about Maxy's playing style. It's gotten so that Eddie is so FIXATED on Maxwell that whenever he posts nowadays, you can virtually predict it will be to bag the skipper. Like tonight, when I heard Maxwell was selected, I just knew Eddie would be on here bagging the skipper with his bilious drivel. You ARE full of it Eddie - either put up (explain the basis of your grudge against Maxy) or shut up!

[Bob Sugar]

im sick of this maxy isnt in our best 18 talk, its laughable, well it would be if it was on BF but to see it here angers me, for me, the guys a current AA and is also our club captain, end of story.

[mudlark]

But you have Nick Maxwell with 15-20 helicopters a match or Goldsack hitting a target 10/10

Maxwell may be regarded as a rebounding defender, but his skill level sucks and how many do we need? Reid, Shaw, O'Brien, Toovey, Johnson all rebound effectively, hell I would rather Presti with the ball than Maxwell

Given Reid is our no2 defender but also a top rebounder, then we can afford a shutdown defender and we desperately need one, Maxwell often has 7-8 goals kicked on him as Mick tries to find an opponent he can actually stop

Every single one of our defenders except Maxwell has the ability to play a total shutdown job, surely thats still the no1 role of a defender? Especially whilst we dont have the side to win shootouts against quality opposition

Oh and I would agree that it would be great to see Dawes kick 10 goals as it means he actually touched it 10 times minimum, a good improvement it would be

Seriously, what's your problem eddie? Want to detail the nature of your conflict of interest here, so at least everything you say in regards to Nick Maxwell has a big disclaiming asterisk next to it?

If you're not lying - and I'm starting to not want to give you the benefit of the doubt on this, because this is so obviously personal to you - then you're being deliberately misleading.

Fact: Nick Maxwell is averaging 16.3 disposals in 11 completed games this year at 81% efficiency. That's this year, not last year when he was made an All-Australian. If you want to pick on poor users of the footy, Nick Maxwell's a strange choice. And don't tell me they're all cheap kicks across half-back, either. That would be another lie.

Plus six one percenters a game and 3.6 rebound 50s. Plus the exceptional courage he brings to every contest and the leadership he provides. The respect he commands from his players and coaches. The respect he's also earned from seasoned judges outside the club.

Heath Shaw isn't primarily a stopper at half-back; he's actually a bit loose and can struggle when made accountable. You're not calling for his head. Alan Toovey notoriously isn't a good kick; you're not picking on him for errant disposal.

In short, eddiesmith, you're full of shit. This isn't about Nick Maxwell at all. It's all about your petty little grudge. Well eddiesmith, the club moved on a long time ago. Maybe it's time you did too.

Don't get too over anxious about these tossers PP.The ones who think there is no spot for "THE SKIPPER" in the footy team are totally playing with themselves.What a moronic stance to think there is no spot for the captain. The question has been emphatically answered by the selectors.YES there is a spot in the starting line up for Nick Maxwell and when Heath Shaw returns the answer to who gives way to Maxy will be answered.Tyson Goldsack has taken a VERY long time to cement a place in this side,which I might add,he HAS NOT yet cemented it and to say he is better than Maxy is a very ill informed statement.Goldy has made several bad errors in the last couple of weeks and IMO is nowhere near the class of Nick.

[3rd degree]

Welcome back Maxy, get out their and smash some tiger filth.

[pietillidie]

Caaarna' Pies. Let the phlegm brigade give it their best shot and see how much we want it.

[3rd degree]

We know why Eddiesmith hates Maxy, he stole his favourite player's spot Jason Cloke.