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I come out 'fighting' because it was suggested that all men have to fear is being laughed at. And yes, violence against men by their partners is laregly ignored, and if not ignored is ridiculed. I have never, not once seen a campaign against intimate partner violence against men, or against women in lesbian relationships; relationships might I add that have the highest incidence of domestic violence.

I come out 'fighting', because it was suggested, and has become a cultural narrative that men don't suffer the same injuries when women attack them, when it has been proven that they do.

1 man is killed every 10 days due to domestic violence and many, many more commit suicide, so don't tell me that an issue that is entirely pushed into the shadows isn't worth a damn.

The cultural narrative has become Man as abuser, and every man is just a violent abuser waiting for his moment. Disgusting campaigns like the one where innocent men are supposed to pledge not to be violent (because you know, we're all evil) just point to this.
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Wokko wrote:I come out 'fighting' because it was suggested that all men have to fear is being laughed at. And yes, violence against men by their partners is laregly ignored, and if not ignored is ridiculed. I have never, not once seen a campaign against intimate partner violence against men, or against women in lesbian relationships; relationships might I add that have the highest incidence of domestic violence.

I come out 'fighting', because it was suggested, and has become a cultural narrative that men don't suffer the same injuries when women attack them, when it has been proven that they do.

1 man is killed every 10 days due to domestic violence and many, many more commit suicide, so don't tell me that an issue that is entirely pushed into the shadows isn't worth a damn.

The cultural narrative has become Man as abuser, and every man is just a violent abuser waiting for his moment. Disgusting campaigns like the one where innocent men are supposed to pledge not to be violent (because you know, we're all evil) just point to this.
mate what campaign?

and if it were true, that every women thinks all men are abusers, none of us, especially those who have witness and felt it, wouldnt get married! we would all be raving lesbians!!
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I know not every woman thinks that but that's the message being pushed by the campaigners, in fact when I see the story comments on newspapers about men being abused too, it is often women saying it.

I understand that you are personally affected, but as you said, advocating for male victims doesn't diminish from the female victims, I'd just like the narrative to have some kind of fairness. If male victims had anything like 1/3 of the support (being at least 1/3 of victims) there'd be no need to even bring it up. As it stands there isn't even ONE shelter for men and children abused by women, there isn't even ONE service for them to go to and the chances of a positive outcome by going through the justice system is minimal at best.

If women think police ignore their accusations of domestic abuse, then what hope does a man have?

As for the raving Lesbians, nobody is talking about them as abusers either, or the male victims of homosexual intimate partner abuse. That's not my fight, but It'd be nice if someone took it up.
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Wokko wrote:
If women think police ignore their accusations of domestic abuse, then what hope does a man have?

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scary figures, looks like the cops are not ignoring it

also note there is no differentiating between gender,
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Are you differentiating between gender?
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Wokko wrote: If male victims had anything like 1/3 of the support (being at least 1/3 of victims) there'd be no need to even bring it up. As it stands there isn't even ONE shelter for men and children abused by women, there isn't even ONE service for them to go to and the chances of a positive outcome by going through the justice system is minimal at best.

If women think police ignore their accusations of domestic abuse, then what hope does a man have?
http://sd.missionaustralia.com.au/4/NSW/

http://salvos.org.au/need-help/accommod ... nd-refuge/

http://www.shelterwa.org.au/housing_opt ... mmodation/
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and this selfish **** should be buried in an unmarked grave

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-05/p ... rf/7067272

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What does "this" refer to?
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Best social work speech I ever spoke:

I told her I didn't want him in the house again, because he hit her in front of her son...

I told her that she let her idiot brother hit her daughter in front of her and neither of us intervened, now the daughter is a mixed up teen...

I told her that her ex husband (another guy) hit her son when he was 18 months old, now the son frequents the principals office for hitting other kids...

I told her that if I went back far enough, her father hit her...

I told her if she was my daughter, I would get all my male relatives together and we would sort the b@st@d out, but you're not, so I won't...

I told her that too many men have hit too many people and it's about time it stopped...

And I'm guessing you all know the end of this story, she went back to him the following day.
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regan is true fullback wrote:I told her if she was my daughter, I would get all my male relatives together and we would sort the b@st@d out, but you're not, so I won't...
But it's precisely that mentality that leads to so much violence, both at home and elsewhere. This idea that men hit women out of disrespect or a lack of chivalry is, for the most part, a myth. Violence tends to always come from the same source, and violence, inevitably, begets violence. The solution is not to resolve these problems by "sorting these bastards out", but to work with offenders to address the problem (while providing safe havens for victims where required).
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David wrote:
regan is true fullback wrote:I told her if she was my daughter, I would get all my male relatives together and we would sort the b@st@d out, but you're not, so I won't...
But it's precisely that mentality that leads to so much violence, both at home and elsewhere. This idea that men hit women out of disrespect or a lack of chivalry is, for the most part, a myth. Violence tends to always come from the same source, and violence, inevitably, begets violence. The solution is not to resolve these problems by "sorting these bastards out", but to work with offenders to address the problem (while providing safe havens for victims where required).
Spot on David.

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