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Bit more on Indigenous burning and how it's different to European notions of fuel reduction burns.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/nsw/ ... 84mSIuAVcU
Owners say the property was saved by the traditional Indigenous technique of cultural burning conducted on their land three years ago.

The only hut not protected by cultural burning, 500 metres from the main house, was destroyed in the blaze.
Unlike hazard reduction burning, cultural burns are cooler and slower moving, usually no taller than knee height, leaving tree canopies untouched and allowing animals to take refuge from the flames. Small fires are lit with matches, instead of drip torches, and burn in a circular pattern.

Mr Barber says the ancient practice is informed by thousands of years of traditional knowledge.
A former park ranger with 15 years’ professional firefighting experience, Mr Barber says he had a “light bulb moment" at a cultural burning workshop with Indigenous elders in far north Queensland in 2010.

Everything that I'd been doing as a professional firefighter, thinking that I was doing the right thing, was wrong, because I viewed fire in the landscape totally differently after that week,” he said.
And here's the problem.
The Wiradjuri man started Koori Country Firesticks in 2016 to promote cultural burning as an alternative to hazard reduction techniques in NSW. The organisation has culturally burnt around 50 hectares of land across the Hunter Valley and Sydney, mainly on private properties at the request of owners.

But the 55-year-old has met plenty of resistance from governments, professional firefighters, national parks and even ecologists.
Trained professionals in northern hemisphere methods are clearly smarter than a blackfella, why would they listen to 10's of thousands of years of accumulated knowledge?
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stui magpie wrote: And here's the problem.
The Wiradjuri man started Koori Country Firesticks in 2016 to promote cultural burning as an alternative to hazard reduction techniques in NSW. The organisation has culturally burnt around 50 hectares of land across the Hunter Valley and Sydney, mainly on private properties at the request of owners.

But the 55-year-old has met plenty of resistance from governments, professional firefighters, national parks and even ecologists.
Trained professionals in northern hemisphere methods are clearly smarter than a blackfella, why would they listen to 10's of thousands of years of accumulated knowledge?
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yep and you could amplify that resistance if any carbon tax and extra layer of continental European style bureaucracy is used to create more problems, no new idea (old idea in this case) would ever get past the data entry clerk.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-07/ ... fmredir=sm
The Country Fire Authority's chief officer Steve Warrington said there was a "fair amount of emotion" around the issue.

"We've had fire down the landscape here that has had burns go right through it [during colder months] and it hasn't slowed it at all," he said.

"The emotive argument is not supported that fuel reduction burning will fix all our problems.

"Some of the hysteria that this will be the solution to all our problems is really just quite an emotional load of rubbish, to be honest."
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lets just say for a minute that slowing climate change would really help all on its own, how long will that take? meanwhile in the years it takes, the country burns!

i think ill listen to the blackfella above!
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I don’t think anyone anywhere is suggesting that we stop all other bushfire prevention strategies and focus solely on climate change. It goes without saying that both are essential.
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Unfortunately David, there are people pretty much saying exactly that.

In their view, Climate Change is the sole cause of these fires, the amount of fuel is irrelevant, and reducing fuel loads by controlled burning is a waste of time
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^How do things keep getting reduced to this? The cheap thrill of (imaginary) influence makes people lose their minds. The culprit is likely a political system which funnels everything down to two choices, with only one seen as the 'winner', so you have to pile on like a zombie for one side lest you 'lose'.

I can't see a remedy at this stage. People are addicted to this shite; it's a real threat to the gains of individualism.
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Yeah, I don't get it and it's frustrating. I've seen multiple people claim that fuel reduction is all a myth created by the Murdoch media FFS.

Basic physics says in order to have a fire, you need fuel, oxygen and ignition. So in that regard, neither climate change or fuel loads "cause" bush fires but both independently and collectively they have a definite effect on the intensity of the fire.

Again, basic physics, the more fuel the more intense the fire, the drier the fuel the hotter it burns
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‘The Truth About the Australian Bushfires’

("It has nothing to do with climate change.")


https://www.prisonplanet.com/the-truth- ... fires.html
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‘Many of the viral maps of the Australia wildfires are inaccurate and fake’

https://www.indy100.com/article/austral ... te-9273951
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stui magpie wrote:^

Yeah, I don't get it and it's frustrating. I've seen multiple people claim that fuel reduction is all a myth created by the Murdoch media FFS.

Basic physics says in order to have a fire, you need fuel, oxygen and ignition. So in that regard, neither climate change or fuel loads "cause" bush fires but both independently and collectively they have a definite effect on the intensity of the fire.

Again, basic physics, the more fuel the more intense the fire, the drier the fuel the hotter it burns
Yup, I think a combination of it’s too hard, not my problem, blame someone else.

I can’t believe, as you say the amount of people on Facebook saying this shit. A friend who’s daughter works for a place as an engineer for climate change (really) is going off the deep end, meanwhile said child is off on holiday, not Hawaii but close, and her other daughter job is going through the bush after the fire looking for still alive animals to save or cull. I imagine the homecoming dinner will be interesting. I can’t imagine doing that job, I’m actually worried for her mental state, a kid I’ve known since birth, and coached for years. She’s a softy, great for the animals ....
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Alex Jones has been right about a lot of things but I'd be very careful about sourcing him and his news sites before doing some thorough fact checking. He's always gone with stories as early and sensationally as possible so tread with caution.
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