Nick's Collingwood Bulletin Board

What'sinaname wrote:

Pies4shaw wrote:Except that they’re really, really not.

What are they not?

They are not worthy premiers. This is an AFL era of mediocrity. There are too many clubs and the talent, which was probably in limited supply anyway, has been spread too thinly. It's worse than that, really. The talent may have been simply wasted and lost, as GC and GWS screwed up the bodies or footy educations of a generation of kids. Meanwhile, NBA etc. lure kids to the dark side, which did not happen 30 years ago.

Rich's main achievement is to be virtually injury-free for four years. For the first two years, they were injury-free the entire two years. Last year, it looked like they'd finally have injuries (and they played like wooden spooners in that period), but magically they had all recovered when finals rocked around. This year we're at the pointy end of the season, and if reports that Prestia and Lynch are in full training are correct, they again are almost injury-free.

It's disturbing the other clubs haven't worked out the injury and fitness stuff. Normally secrets don't last more than about 18 months. Ideally, the bottom clubs would have poached Rich's fitness and medical staff by now.

I don't know how clubs expect to win finals against a club's full senior side when they are playing half of a VFL side because of their injury carnage.

So they aren't worthy because they haven't won a flag missing lots of players through injury?What a load of sh!t.

Richmond have been awesome over the past 4 years and in 2 years so far have stepped up and been the most dominant side in the finals.

Richmond have been given everything on a platter to them.

What'sinaname wrote:So they aren't worthy because they haven't won a flag missing lots of players through injury?What a load of sh!t.

Richmond have been awesome over the past 4 years and in 2 years so far have stepped up and been the most dominant side in the finals.

I don't agree with most of K's comments. I do, though, agree that we are watching an AFL era in which none of the teams has as many good players as the great sides of the past.

My point was that, objectively, Richmond are not "one of the greatest teams ever" and will not be, even if they win the flag again this year. Not even a Richmond supporter would say that.

Another easy ride in the finals for richmond nicely set up too back to back flags here we come and i reckon they will make it 3 straight next year too.

Pies4shaw wrote:

What'sinaname wrote:So they aren't worthy because they haven't won a flag missing lots of players through injury?What a load of sh!t.

Richmond have been awesome over the past 4 years and in 2 years so far have stepped up and been the most dominant side in the finals.

I don't agree with most of K's comments. I do, though, agree that we are watching an AFL era in which none of the teams has as many good players as the great sides of the past.

My point was that, objectively, Richmond are not "one of the greatest teams ever" and will not be, even if they win the flag again this year. Not even a Richmond supporter would say that.

Doesn't that make the Richmond team one of the best ever. The lack of good to great players means the Richmond are a great team. In the era of equalisation and spreading great players across 18 teams, it means being a great team involves getting the most out of all of your players, not relying on great players. As they say, the team is as good as your worst six players.

Not really any one can.

But i have not written off the eagles they have huge upside and have a heap of players to come back in too. Port is another if there was. Depands on what port shows up they are very hot and cold.
Richmond can easy beat brisbane and geelong in the current situation.

Not sure on how they would go against st.kilda or even a bulldogs.

Richmond have the double chance so i expect them to go straight to the prelim week 1 and make the GF.

Its eagles,dogs as they like a scrape and maybe collingwood (2018 prelim).

Tigers through to their 4th consecutive PF and it means we have to see one of Richmond or Port in the GF and as possible premiers. Yuk!!

Barracking for Port, of course.

What'sinaname wrote:

Pies4shaw wrote:

What'sinaname wrote:So they aren't worthy because they haven't won a flag missing lots of players through injury?What a load of sh!t.
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I don't agree with most of K's comments. I do, though, agree that we are watching an AFL era in which none of the teams has as many good players as the great sides of the past.

My point was that, objectively, Richmond are not "one of the greatest teams ever" and will not be, even if they win the flag again this year. Not even a Richmond supporter would say that.

Doesn't that make the Richmond team one of the best ever. The lack of good to great players means the Richmond are a great team. In the era of equalisation and spreading great players across 18 teams, it means being a great team involves getting the most out of all of your players, not relying on great players. As they say, the team is as good as your worst six players.

They are not a great side, not because "they haven't won a flag missing lots of players through injury", but because if they even had an equal number of injuries as the main contenders they would struggle even to make the 8, let alone contend for a flag.

Great fitness staff, possibly. (Could be some luck, too.) Certainly not a great team. You'd need to include fitness staff in "team" even to start an argument.


Do you reckon Adelaide late 90s were "one of the greatest teams of all time"? Few footy fans outside Adelaide think that, but I don't know why anyone would think this Richmond side is "better" in its era than Adelaide were in theirs.


And we haven't even started talking about Richmond's pathetic interstate record. It may be impossible to make the interstate thing "fair" to everyone. A worthy premier would make the question moot by performing well interstate, not just at home.

Richmond make my blood boil

Right now, Richmond are everything we wish we were

What'sinaname wrote:Right now, Richmond are everything we wish we were

I'd rather eat my own vomit to be frank...

The Boy Who Cried Wolf wrote:

What'sinaname wrote:Right now, Richmond are everything we wish we were

I'd rather eat my own vomit to be frank...

You’d rather eat your own vomit than play in 4 consecutive PF and have over 100,000 members