George Floyd Police killing and protests

[Wokko]

Apart from the people who're actually demonstrating about George and Police brutality against Blacks in general, the protests have been infiltrated by extremists of all flavours from Antifa on the left to Boogaloo and white supremacists on the right, all pushing their own agendas, instigating violence and illegal behaviour.

There's been zero proof of right wingers, that was a bizarre talking point of Democrat Governors and media. There's been some militia guarding shops but I've seen nothing else to suggest that white supremacists or 2A/2nd civil war types are involved. Many seem to be actively NOT getting involved because they know the media are salivating at the hope of "Armed, violent white supremacists" shooting at blacks.

[Wonka]

You know democracy is dying when CNN journalists are arrested and Australian journalists are beaten up by police.

[Pies4shaw]

Who's talking about Antifa? While I have no doubt they're involved in the protests and perhaps some of the destruction, they're hardly primary contributors. I think you (and Trump) are vastly exaggerating their numbers.

Precisely. Anyone would think reading some of this that there was some genuine, organised left wing movement capable of fighting its way out of a paper-bag in the US. The role of conspiracy theory, here, is to assist people to pretend that there isn’t actually a spontaneous movement born of 3 centuries of deliberate, abject subjugation and that there is, rather, some small bunch of left-wing agitators”controlling” this (as if this were capable of being controlled). Whoever might be involved from place to place, this is a genuine grassroots response by the actual oppressed.

As for the fascist presence, tthe neofascist national administration and the local constabulary are doing their head kicking for them, so their contribution isn’t required.

[David]

[stui magpie]

I think that's a stretch.

Hong Kong is a geographically small area, one city, where the local government hasn't oppressed them, lots have fled China to get away from oppression and they're protesting China exerting increasing control.

They're protesting against looming oppression, not historic oppression. The only thing they have in common is they're protests and they've gone OTT with arson, vandalism and looting.

The USA is geographically similar size to Aus and eacxh city has it's own culture and issues and there's a lot of them. Also, "resistance to the system" that killed George Floyd implies institutionalised racism across all Police departments nationally when the only thing they have in common is the name "Police".

George Floyds brother has said, stop burning stuff, educate yourself and enrol to vote. Local government officials control the Police, they're voted in by locals. The "system" that enabled the killing of George Floyd isn't some conspiracy either, it's a melange of historic components combined with all the cultural attributes of poverty.

[Morrigu]

[Jezza]

^ Tragic news.

The radical left groups won't care though because it doesn't suit the narrative. They've been silent on frequent gang violence in Chicago for years which has killed many black people.

[Pies4shaw]

What radical left groups, Jezza? We’re you frightened by an ALP-right politician as a child?

What “narrative”?

You ascribe power, influence and control to forces that, in this context, simply don’t exist.

[Wokko]

[Wokko]

When Antifa is about to arrive in your city...

https://twitter.com/Oilfield_Rando/stat ... 1187615750

[Pies4shaw]

For two blokes with a broken down VW, Antifa do get around, don’t they?

Mind you, your presently irrelevant list of bad things that may not have been done by homicidal white supremacist police could be exhibit A for repealing the Second Amendment. Wouldn’t be a bad time to do it - the police (racists and other) have been disregarding the First for days.

[Woods Of Ypres]

Going back to the bad cops issue, I have not heard anybody mention steroid use which by some accounts is rampant across the police forces. I read some articles where cops mention it puts them 'on edge'. Was officer Noor or Yanez ever tested for anabolics after their shootings?
Do cops ever get tested?

[David]

[K]

Salman Rushdie:
I’ve seen dictators rise and fall. Beware, America.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... e-america/

[Wokko]