Post Match. Lions pip Pies - all comments

[David]

Pied Piper, please spit the dummy more often.

Sincerely, David.

[Piesnchess]

Perspective is in the eye of the beholder pal. My perspective is that we drop stone cold games we should never lose, far too regularly, against thiird rate outfits, and we do it ad nauseum. Bucks has alluded to it, and it has been ongoing now for years. Truly great sides dont do this on a regular basis,as we do. How can we beat top team Freo at Subi, a terrific win, then turn in that woeful effort last Sat against the injured Lions.? The loss to the Cats was honourable, but there was no honour the other night,just more of the same old let down against lower sides on their knees. You may put up with it, but we so called "pessimists" dont, we want accountabillity and change,so this type of crap does not happen. There are none so blind as those that cannot see.

Third rate outfit? Three Triple Premiership players, one a Brownlow Medalist, a premiership player from another club, a multiple Coleman Medal winner, at least one Rising Star winner and some up and comers with their backs to the wall on their home turf. Third rate outfit - your twisting this story to meet your own neurotic needs.... Only one more thing to be said here about your argument...

3rd rate outfits dont lose 7 in a row , apparantly 3rd rate outfits can lose 6 in a row though.

My main point is you would never under-estimate an outfit with that sort of personnel particularly when their season is on the line as it was on Saturday night. A premiership contender - no. A third rate outfit - I don't think so...

Ronnie, but werent we told Brown was on one leg, and Fev was suffering some leg tear.? And they had about another four top liners out too. We had two of our best out really, Medhurst and Josh. As stated third rate outfits lose five in a row, even adelaide beat em, and the bottom line is we didnt.

[Pied Piper]

^ And Carlton beat Geelong. And St Kilda. But they lost to us, and Hawthorn, and Essendon.

Fremantle also beat Geelong when no one thought they were any good.

Essendon beat St Kilda, then the Western Bulldogs. In between they've been smashed by everyone.

Jon Brown is a champion. He was opposed to a pup who's played 15 games. Now, we might have erred in selection there, but Reid has been good enough to justify his spot and will have to learn. As for Brown, he might be sore but he's good enough and brave enough to lift his team over the line when they needed him most.

There's 22 rounds and 16 teams in this competition. It's not all about us. All this crap about "good sides don't drop these games..." - well, actually, they do. Will you just grow up a bit?

[Pied Piper]

Pied Piper, please spit the dummy more often.

Sincerely, David.

Maybe I will

[Piesnchess]

The eddieland crowd, the vestige of positivity, the eccense of "she"ll be right mate, no probs at all" After that inept display against a third rate Lions outfit. ?? You lot remind me of the steward on the Titanic, who told some poor soul " No need to worry, we just brushed an iceberg,must have broken the propellor, we will be on our way shortly though. Can i get you a cup of tea " ?

Ah Yes, the vestige of positivity will always triumph against the, negativity of the latent pessimists.
Not game to reveal their inner conviction and bias during the good times but wait to bask in the light of hindsight, and claim some profound wisdom on the ocassion of a defeat.
Blessed with this "selective" 20:20 hindsight, they have been slienced for most of the year, but like little mushrooms cultivated with manure they make fleeting appearances, and regurgitate that on which they have been fed.

At least those burdened with the "vestige of positivity", are consistent and ever present.
Like the latent virus, that emerges during a time of vulnerability, lacking the courage to exposed itself during times of strength, you are the curse that hides in every supporter group.
I'm sure that some Geelong supporters vented, when the team lost to both Freo and Carlton, and whose lack of faith has now been exposed.

Yes some are burdened with the "vestige of positivity", but more importantly also blessed with "perspective"

Perspective is in the eye of the beholder pal. My perspective is that we drop stone cold games we should never lose, far too regularly, against thiird rate outfits, and we do it ad nauseum. Bucks has alluded to it, and it has been ongoing now for years. Truly great sides dont do this on a regular basis,as we do. How can we beat top team Freo at Subi, a terrific win, then turn in that woeful effort last Sat against the injured Lions.? The loss to the Cats was honourable, but there was no honour the other night,just more of the same old let down against lower sides on their knees. You may put up with it, but we so called "pessimists" dont, we want accountabillity and change,so this type of crap does not happen. There are none so blind as those that cannot see.

Both the above bolded statements prove my point - you lack perspective pure and simple.
You want change as soon as something goes wrong, ie MM & EDDIE need to go.
But we had an "honorable loss to the Cats", and "we beat team FREO at Subi".
Now one week later the sky is falling - this is lack of perspective, and panicked, irrational, hysteria.
Grow a pair and show your conviction by pushing for change regardless of whether we win all lose - then I can respect your perspective, and conviction.
Otherwise you and JACK are just opportunisitic hysterics, looking to vent your spleen at MM and Eddie after defeats, with hindsight backing your smug claims of "i told you so".
But when we win - well then all is forgotten and the world is fine.
It is this hypocrisy and insincerity that is galling to me and many others.

WRONG on all counts, I wanted change quite some time ago. I held my fire because of the MM and Bucks pact,and started to believe that maybe Bucks could bring some changes here and there,so I adopted a wait and see policy. For eight rounds this year, we were going well, and the coaching pact seemed to be going well, and we appeared to have a vibrant new more direct style of attack, we were winning well, no complaints from me there. But that Lions loss is an expensive one,it was there for the taking, and it could be very costly at seasons end. I assumed that old habit of ours of dropping these certs was over, but I was wrong, it was de ja vu all over again. This inconsistency is nothing new,it goes right back under the reign of MM, and that is a fact, whether you can accept it or not. And its just not me and Jack who feel this way, have a long look thru this and other threads and yu will see I am far from alone on this sentiment. No doubt we will beat the Dogs because we fire up for the big ones, but I would not put any money on us the following week v the Dees,another one we OUGHTA win.

[Piesnchess]

^ And Carlton beat Geelong. And St Kilda. But they lost to us, and Hawthorn, and Essendon.

Fremantle also beat Geelong when no one thought they were any good.

Essendon beat St Kilda, then the Western Bulldogs. In between they've been smashed by everyone.

Jon Brown is a champion. He was opposed to a pup who's played 15 games. Now, we might have erred in selection there, but Reid has been good enough to justify his spot and will have to learn. As for Brown, he might be sore but he's good enough and brave enough to lift his team over the line when they needed him most.

There's 22 rounds and 16 teams in this competition. It's not all about us. All this crap about "good sides don't drop these games..." - well, actually, they do. Will you just grow up a bit?

PP-and there are sure others on here who need to grow up too, learn how to handle the truth and cold hard facts.When every tipster around tips us to beat the injured Lions,that tells me something. Granted Brown is a champion, but MM is head of selection, why was Leigh Brown not picked for him, Reid is a pup as you say,and was an awful matchup for the big unit. Whose fault is that, the coach should have known better. Be honest PP, when we next play a lowly side, how confident will you be.?

[Pied Piper]

Ah, the master of hindsight strikes again. Did you tip Leigh Brown for selection, Piesnchess? Sure, he'd beaten up on the lowest team in the VFL. But Reid had played well in the AFL. We're grooming him for the centre half-back position. What does that say to him, if we drop him because he's not ready to take on a good player?

I am willing to bet my bottom dollar that had Leigh Brown been selected to play at the expense of N Brown and Reid, you would have been among those crucifying Mick Malthouse for his lack of vision and unwillingness to invest in youth - both before the match, and after had the result been the same.

Tipping means SFA. Why do you think gambling agencies make a fortune taking money off mugs like you who tip the favourites every week? Why do you think most of us are doing well to get six from eight in any given week? FFS, how many tipped Richmond to win? There will always be upsets, battling underdogs who play above themselves and premiership sides that fall on their faces. As Geelong have this year, twice. But you won't acknowledge that.

The Lions aren't a "lowly" side. They've got some bad injuries, yes. I don't think they can go all the way, no. But any team with Jon Brown, Simon Black, Luke Power, Brendan Fevola and Daniel Rich has my respect. Quite frankly we don't have too many players of that superstar quality.

It's your arrogance and lack of respect for the opposition that draws you into these ritual displays of chest-beating bullshit after every loss. You predicted Nick's would go into meltdown if the Lions won, and I replied I would count on you to be the first in. I knew you wouldn't let me down.

[Pied Piper]

DP

[HAL]

""? What does it say to him if we drop him because he's not ready to take on a good player? Deductive reasoning from the facts.

[Bob Sugar]

Perspective is in the eye of the beholder pal. My perspective is that we drop stone cold games we should never lose, far too regularly, against thiird rate outfits, and we do it ad nauseum. Bucks has alluded to it, and it has been ongoing now for years. Truly great sides dont do this on a regular basis,as we do. How can we beat top team Freo at Subi, a terrific win, then turn in that woeful effort last Sat against the injured Lions.? The loss to the Cats was honourable, but there was no honour the other night,just more of the same old let down against lower sides on their knees. You may put up with it, but we so called "pessimists" dont, we want accountabillity and change,so this type of crap does not happen. There are none so blind as those that cannot see.

Third rate outfit? Three Triple Premiership players, one a Brownlow Medalist, a premiership player from another club, a multiple Coleman Medal winner, at least one Rising Star winner and some up and comers with their backs to the wall on their home turf. Third rate outfit - your twisting this story to meet your own neurotic needs.... Only one more thing to be said here about your argument...

3rd rate outfits dont lose 7 in a row , apparantly 3rd rate outfits can lose 6 in a row though.

My main point is you would never under-estimate an outfit with that sort of personnel particularly when their season is on the line as it was on Saturday night. A premiership contender - no. A third rate outfit - I don't think so...

we cant under-estimate anyone, we did so with melbourne and look what happened there, sure the lions have many celebrated players but from what i saw, we didnt play well, lions deserved the win in the end but it will be there last against us for a while.

[rocketronnie]

Ah, the master of hindsight strikes again. Did you tip Leigh Brown for selection, Piesnchess? Sure, he'd beaten up on the lowest team in the VFL. But Reid had played well in the AFL. We're grooming him for the centre half-back position. What does that say to him, if we drop him because he's not ready to take on a good player?

I am willing to bet my bottom dollar that had Leigh Brown been selected to play at the expense of N Brown and Reid, you would have been among those crucifying Mick Malthouse for his lack of vision and unwillingness to invest in youth - both before the match, and after had the result been the same.

Tipping means SFA. Why do you think gambling agencies make a fortune taking money off mugs like you who tip the favourites every week? Why do you think most of us are doing well to get six from eight in any given week? FFS, how many tipped Richmond to win? There will always be upsets, battling underdogs who play above themselves and premiership sides that fall on their faces. As Geelong have this year, twice. But you won't acknowledge that.

The Lions aren't a "lowly" side. They've got some bad injuries, yes. I don't think they can go all the way, no. But any team with Jon Brown, Simon Black, Luke Power, Brendan Fevola and Daniel Rich has my respect. Quite frankly we don't have too many players of that superstar quality.

It's your arrogance and lack of respect for the opposition that draws you into these ritual displays of chest-beating bullshit after every loss. You predicted Nick's would go into meltdown if the Lions won, and I replied I would count on you to be the first in. I knew you wouldn't let me down.

Absolute GOLD PP!! - It'll be water off a parrot's back however....

[ThePieMind]

The eddieland crowd, the vestige of positivity, the eccense of "she"ll be right mate, no probs at all" After that inept display against a third rate Lions outfit. ?? You lot remind me of the steward on the Titanic, who told some poor soul " No need to worry, we just brushed an iceberg,must have broken the propellor, we will be on our way shortly though. Can i get you a cup of tea " ?

Ah Yes, the vestige of positivity will always triumph against the, negativity of the latent pessimists.
Not game to reveal their inner conviction and bias during the good times but wait to bask in the light of hindsight, and claim some profound wisdom on the ocassion of a defeat.
Blessed with this "selective" 20:20 hindsight, they have been slienced for most of the year, but like little mushrooms cultivated with manure they make fleeting appearances, and regurgitate that on which they have been fed.

At least those burdened with the "vestige of positivity", are consistent and ever present.
Like the latent virus, that emerges during a time of vulnerability, lacking the courage to exposed itself during times of strength, you are the curse that hides in every supporter group.
I'm sure that some Geelong supporters vented, when the team lost to both Freo and Carlton, and whose lack of faith has now been exposed.

Yes some are burdened with the "vestige of positivity", but more importantly also blessed with "perspective"

Perspective is in the eye of the beholder pal. My perspective is that we drop stone cold games we should never lose, far too regularly, against thiird rate outfits, and we do it ad nauseum. Bucks has alluded to it, and it has been ongoing now for years. Truly great sides dont do this on a regular basis,as we do. How can we beat top team Freo at Subi, a terrific win, then turn in that woeful effort last Sat against the injured Lions.? The loss to the Cats was honourable, but there was no honour the other night,just more of the same old let down against lower sides on their knees. You may put up with it, but we so called "pessimists" dont, we want accountabillity and change,so this type of crap does not happen. There are none so blind as those that cannot see.

Both the above bolded statements prove my point - you lack perspective pure and simple.
You want change as soon as something goes wrong, ie MM & EDDIE need to go.
But we had an "honorable loss to the Cats", and "we beat team FREO at Subi".
Now one week later the sky is falling - this is lack of perspective, and panicked, irrational, hysteria.
Grow a pair and show your conviction by pushing for change regardless of whether we win all lose - then I can respect your perspective, and conviction.
Otherwise you and JACK are just opportunisitic hysterics, looking to vent your spleen at MM and Eddie after defeats, with hindsight backing your smug claims of "i told you so".
But when we win - well then all is forgotten and the world is fine.
It is this hypocrisy and insincerity that is galling to me and many others.

WRONG on all counts, I wanted change quite some time ago. I held my fire because of the MM and Bucks pact,and started to believe that maybe Bucks could bring some changes here and there,so I adopted a wait and see policy. For eight rounds this year, we were going well, and the coaching pact seemed to be going well, and we appeared to have a vibrant new more direct style of attack, we were winning well, no complaints from me there. But that Lions loss is an expensive one,it was there for the taking, and it could be very costly at seasons end. I assumed that old habit of ours of dropping these certs was over, but I was wrong, it was de ja vu all over again. This inconsistency is nothing new,it goes right back under the reign of MM, and that is a fact, whether you can accept it or not. And its just not me and Jack who feel this way, have a long look thru this and other threads and yu will see I am far from alone on this sentiment. No doubt we will beat the Dogs because we fire up for the big ones, but I would not put any money on us the following week v the Dees,another one we OUGHTA win.

I think you mean I'm right on all accounts, as per the highlighted text.

A good example of opportunistic hysteria, hypocrisy and insincerity.

You have no complaints for the first 8 weeks, and then the sky is falling in, and its MM faults.

The more you say the deeper the hole you dig for yourself,

[Piesnchess]

Ah Yes, the vestige of positivity will always triumph against the, negativity of the latent pessimists.
Not game to reveal their inner conviction and bias during the good times but wait to bask in the light of hindsight, and claim some profound wisdom on the ocassion of a defeat.
Blessed with this "selective" 20:20 hindsight, they have been slienced for most of the year, but like little mushrooms cultivated with manure they make fleeting appearances, and regurgitate that on which they have been fed.

At least those burdened with the "vestige of positivity", are consistent and ever present.
Like the latent virus, that emerges during a time of vulnerability, lacking the courage to exposed itself during times of strength, you are the curse that hides in every supporter group.
I'm sure that some Geelong supporters vented, when the team lost to both Freo and Carlton, and whose lack of faith has now been exposed.

Yes some are burdened with the "vestige of positivity", but more importantly also blessed with "perspective"

Perspective is in the eye of the beholder pal. My perspective is that we drop stone cold games we should never lose, far too regularly, against thiird rate outfits, and we do it ad nauseum. Bucks has alluded to it, and it has been ongoing now for years. Truly great sides dont do this on a regular basis,as we do. How can we beat top team Freo at Subi, a terrific win, then turn in that woeful effort last Sat against the injured Lions.? The loss to the Cats was honourable, but there was no honour the other night,just more of the same old let down against lower sides on their knees. You may put up with it, but we so called "pessimists" dont, we want accountabillity and change,so this type of crap does not happen. There are none so blind as those that cannot see.

Both the above bolded statements prove my point - you lack perspective pure and simple.
You want change as soon as something goes wrong, ie MM & EDDIE need to go.
But we had an "honorable loss to the Cats", and "we beat team FREO at Subi".
Now one week later the sky is falling - this is lack of perspective, and panicked, irrational, hysteria.
Grow a pair and show your conviction by pushing for change regardless of whether we win all lose - then I can respect your perspective, and conviction.
Otherwise you and JACK are just opportunisitic hysterics, looking to vent your spleen at MM and Eddie after defeats, with hindsight backing your smug claims of "i told you so".
But when we win - well then all is forgotten and the world is fine.
It is this hypocrisy and insincerity that is galling to me and many others.

WRONG on all counts, I wanted change quite some time ago. I held my fire because of the MM and Bucks pact,and started to believe that maybe Bucks could bring some changes here and there,so I adopted a wait and see policy. For eight rounds this year, we were going well, and the coaching pact seemed to be going well, and we appeared to have a vibrant new more direct style of attack, we were winning well, no complaints from me there. But that Lions loss is an expensive one,it was there for the taking, and it could be very costly at seasons end. I assumed that old habit of ours of dropping these certs was over, but I was wrong, it was de ja vu all over again. This inconsistency is nothing new,it goes right back under the reign of MM, and that is a fact, whether you can accept it or not. And its just not me and Jack who feel this way, have a long look thru this and other threads and yu will see I am far from alone on this sentiment. No doubt we will beat the Dogs because we fire up for the big ones, but I would not put any money on us the following week v the Dees,another one we OUGHTA win.

I think you mean I'm right on all accounts, as per the highlighted text.

A good example of opportunistic hysteria, hypocrisy and insincerity.

You have no complaints for the first 8 weeks, and then the sky is falling in, and its MM faults.

The more you say the deeper the hole you dig for yourself,[/quote


No, wrong again. Why should i have come out and sledged MM and the hierarchy when we were going so well, and I assumed old habits had gone once and for all,thanks to the influence of Bucks, I hoped. But no, they reared their heads again, the boundary line crap,the mis matches,and we threw away four points. That loss could see us finish fifth not fourth mate, thats the cold hard facts. The only hysterics on here and hyoocrisy is by the MM worshippers, who cannot fault him even when he makes mistakes and is outcoached by Voss. What will you and they say the next time we drop a gimme game, a dead cert, at the business end of the season. ? Dont think it will happen, well is has happened a lot under MM, Bucks alluded to it last season. After the loss to the Cats, which was a reasonable loss, we should have come out and tore the weakened Lions to pieces to redeem ourselves, but only Thomas had that attitude.
Me you and PP can bat this back and forth endlessly, i guess we must agree to disagree. BTW I was NOT the first one onto Nicks to vent my spleen on the loss, many posters preceded me PP. And if i am so wrong as you say, how come many other posters, not just Jack,agree with my views. ?

[Piesnchess]

Ah, the master of hindsight strikes again. Did you tip Leigh Brown for selection, Piesnchess? Sure, he'd beaten up on the lowest team in the VFL. But Reid had played well in the AFL. We're grooming him for the centre half-back position. What does that say to him, if we drop him because he's not ready to take on a good player?

I am willing to bet my bottom dollar that had Leigh Brown been selected to play at the expense of N Brown and Reid, you would have been among those crucifying Mick Malthouse for his lack of vision and unwillingness to invest in youth - both before the match, and after had the result been the same.

Tipping means SFA. Why do you think gambling agencies make a fortune taking money off mugs like you who tip the favourites every week? Why do you think most of us are doing well to get six from eight in any given week? FFS, how many tipped Richmond to win? There will always be upsets, battling underdogs who play above themselves and premiership sides that fall on their faces. As Geelong have this year, twice. But you won't acknowledge that.

The Lions aren't a "lowly" side. They've got some bad injuries, yes. I don't think they can go all the way, no. But any team with Jon Brown, Simon Black, Luke Power, Brendan Fevola and Daniel Rich has my respect. Quite frankly we don't have too many players of that superstar quality.

It's your arrogance and lack of respect for the opposition that draws you into these ritual displays of chest-beating bullshit after every loss. You predicted Nick's would go into meltdown if the Lions won, and I replied I would count on you to be the first in. I knew you wouldn't let me down.

Jeesh, and the pro MM brigade arent arrogant are they, LOL give me a break. Have the termerity to sledge MM in any way, and one is nearly hung, drawn and quartered by you lot. Give me a break, arrogance is a two way street PP. "lack of respect for the opposition" thats a laugh, if the Lions were at full strength, with Fev and Brown killing them for four weeks before we played them, and had NOT lost five in a row, sure i would have respected them, very much so, but that was not the case, they were ripe for the picking,and we fluffed it. BTW, I was NOT the first on here after the loss to state my views, many other posters-and are they ALL wrong too-beat me to it. You think i am always negative, didnt you see my thread on Dale Thomas, that was postive was it not, and i have done positive threads on the Pies, often defending players like Cloke and Didak.

[Pied Piper]

1. Did you or did you not suggest BEFORE THE GAME that Leigh Brown should be picked ahead of Ben Reid?

2. How many games have St Kilda lost this year?

3. How many games have the Western Bulldogs lost this year?

4. How many games have Geelong lost this year?

5. How many games did St Kilda lose LAST year, before losing the premiership?

6. How many games did Geelong lose in 2008, before losing the premiership?

7. How many games did Collingwood lose in 1990, before winning the premiership?

8. Where did I suggest you were always negative? (I replied in the affirmative to your Thomas thread)

Get off the Jack, and get a grip on yourself!