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By the way, I don't consider myself necessarily pro- or anti-MM, or Eddie, or the current administration. It was your lumping in any of us who weren't running around like Chicken Little as part of this mythical Eddieland cult that has pissed me off so damn much.
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It's taken me this long to reply because it's taken me this long to get over being beaten by the bloody Lions. I thought we'd hit that particulary bogey on the head, FFS! Here's my breakdown on why I thought we lost this game, and also the game last week v. the Cats...

1. The entire bloody team ran forward of the ball, then when it was turned over, there was no one to kick to in the forward fifty, not to mention the goal square. Anyone who was in the vacinity was well and truly manned up, eg Travis Cloke, who was battling two defenders at times.

2. Our tackling is way down. Where's the intensity? Apparently Richmond and Essendon tackle with more ferocity than the Pies these days.

3. They outmarked us all over the ground.

4. Reid was no match for Brown. N. Brown would have been better. Or even Leroy. And where the hell is Goldsack?

5. With our lack of accuracy around goals over the last couple of weeks, (when we do get them in there) Dick and Lockyer would have helped.

5. Somebody should have tagged Power. He killed us in the middle, as did Black in the second half. And if someone tells me either of the two were tagged, I'd be calling for that player to be dropped to the VFL. Disgraceful non-effort, if that's the case.

6. What the hell's gotten into our back six? Maxy's down on form, Harry's made some mistakes of late, Shaw's been quiet and Brown was dropped, conceivably because he didn't do the job on Mooney the week before. Is it just a mid-season slump? I hope so.

For my mind, the only people who really gave it their all Saturday night were: Thomas, Didak, Pendlebury, Swan, Ball and Toovey. The second half, most of the others may as well not have turned up.
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Pied Piper wrote:By the way, I don't consider myself necessarily pro- or anti-MM, or Eddie, or the current administration. It was your lumping in any of us who weren't running around like Chicken Little as part of this mythical Eddieland cult that has pissed me off so damn much.
PP before yu spat the dummy, I never mentioned you by name, as part of eddieland you yourself took it upon yourself to take it thatway. You went flying off the handle, when i was not even referring to you. You really need to lighten up a bit,honestly. I make a joke about the Titanic and you go berserk, when it was not even aimed at YOU. Lighten up.
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Piesnchess wrote:
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As I said - the sky is not falling in, you lack perspective, and you are hysterical at the slightest set back, blaming MM and or EDDIE for all the ills of CFC, with no credit to them when all is well.

If I'm wrong then I'm sure the impartials on this board will correct me, and I will happily recant.
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Pied Piper wrote:1. Did you or did you not suggest BEFORE THE GAME that Leigh Brown should be picked ahead of Ben Reid?

2. How many games have St Kilda lost this year?

3. How many games have the Western Bulldogs lost this year?

4. How many games have Geelong lost this year?

5. How many games did St Kilda lose LAST year, before losing the premiership?

6. How many games did Geelong lose in 2008, before losing the premiership?

7. How many games did Collingwood lose in 1990, before winning the premiership?

8. Where did I suggest you were always negative? (I replied in the affirmative to your Thomas thread)

Get off the Jack, and get a grip on yourself!
Granted PP, all sides drop games, upsets do happen to all sides, but under the Malthausian regime, we seem to make it an art form of losing to sides we should poleaxe. Bucks has said it, and i assume he knows a hell of a lot about footy than yu and me. Its a malaise we obviously still have, we were shit lucky to beat the dees, whom we play again in two weeks. MM is the coach, he is extremely well paid, at the end of the day, the buck stops with him,as it should. Consistency is our greatest problem, and has been for a long time. Lets just agree to diagree, i have nothing more to add, as i say, i was not referring to you in my original post, and that is the truth.
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ThePieMind wrote:
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Well, hysterical must be a common thing on Nicks, going by all the other threads furious at that loss. No, not hysterical mate, just a realist who is tired of the same old same old, lostng games we should not lose. MM is the coach, very very well paid, the buck stops with him ultimately. Perspective,- i have loads of it, i hope we win our next twelve straight before the finals, but if we drop these type of games top four will be out of reach. Agree to disagree, I have said my piece, I have often posted threads praising the club, and our players, like my recent dale thomas thread.
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Nah, no recanting - your correct on all counts :D
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Pied Piper wrote:^ And Carlton beat Geelong. And St Kilda. But they lost to us, and Hawthorn, and Essendon.

Fremantle also beat Geelong when no one thought they were any good.

Essendon beat St Kilda, then the Western Bulldogs. In between they've been smashed by everyone.

Jon Brown is a champion. He was opposed to a pup who's played 15 games. Now, we might have erred in selection there, but Reid has been good enough to justify his spot and will have to learn. As for Brown, he might be sore but he's good enough and brave enough to lift his team over the line when they needed him most.

There's 22 rounds and 16 teams in this competition. It's not all about us. All this crap about "good sides don't drop these games..." - well, actually, they do. Will you just grow up a bit?
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Wow - doom and gloom city here. sux we lost but seriously everyone lighten up. We are 7 and 2 NOT 0 and 9. Last I checked I wasn't supporting Richmond.

As for criticism of MM and Eddie - certainly true they haven't got us a flag but we've also been in 2 grand finals and made top 4 several times.

With 16 teams in the competition, there are many who haven't had that success in the same time period.

Chin up Pies supporters - we WILL prevail and are merely suffering a form slump.
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Dave The Man wrote:We lost in in the Coaching Box and the Selection Table.

Reasons:
Observations on Sat @ Brisbane
1/ No tagger
2/ No "flair" player too robotic
3/ Defense didnt blanket the forwards (only Prestie) but tried to run off their man--where is the punch in defense & helping out gone
4/ Rolling maul is good when it works , but skill levels kicking to a target is better, when caught out like Sat.
5/ Need to change a few players everytime a close game or one we lose to freshen up the team mentaly-- down the spine , 4 players , forward to the back line-- L.Brown would have helped forward & back need a big man with nouse & flair
6/ Slow in changing a man around when another is getting beaten, Prestie beating Fev & Brown gets the ball & no one backs up with the defender--too slow to react
7/ Gabba is almost round, its a long way by playing the wings more chance of turnovers.
8/ In the Lions members stand with some Lions players around & they thought it was a poor skills game from both teams & played into Lions hands --too often
  • Mick Not Changing to Man on Man when the Zone was getting Destroyed
  • Playing too many Talls
  • Too Slow Side. Get O'Bree out of the Side
  • N Brown should of played instead of Ben Reid
  • Defense who Leak to many Goals
  • Midfield getting Flogged
  • Not Heavy Tag Black or Power
Any Others?
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Piesnchess wrote:
Pied Piper wrote:By the way, I don't consider myself necessarily pro- or anti-MM, or Eddie, or the current administration. It was your lumping in any of us who weren't running around like Chicken Little as part of this mythical Eddieland cult that has pissed me off so damn much.
PP before yu spat the dummy, I never mentioned you by name, as part of eddieland you yourself took it upon yourself to take it thatway. You went flying off the handle, when i was not even referring to you. You really need to lighten up a bit,honestly. I make a joke about the Titanic and you go berserk, when it was not even aimed at YOU. Lighten up.
You didn't have to mention me by name, did you? You were making, as you put it, a "generalisation". Generalisations shit me. My point was, we all care, we're all Collingwood supporters, and just because not everybody is joining you and j_s in tearing the club apart when we're sitting on seven wins and three losses for the season doesn't mean we must all be from "Eddieland", worshipping at the sphinx of Mick Malthouse and accepting of mediocrity. If we were three wins and seven losses and we were having the same debate, you'd probably have a point.

As for lightening up, you could try yourself. Just because you've been following the Pies for 50 years doesn't give you a mortgage on misery.
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mel_kay39 wrote:It's taken me this long to reply because it's taken me this long to get over being beaten by the bloody Lions. I thought we'd hit that particulary bogey on the head, FFS! Here's my breakdown on why I thought we lost this game, and also the game last week v. the Cats...

1. The entire bloody team ran forward of the ball, then when it was turned over, there was no one to kick to in the forward fifty, not to mention the goal square. Anyone who was in the vacinity was well and truly manned up, eg Travis Cloke, who was battling two defenders at times.

2. Our tackling is way down. Where's the intensity? Apparently Richmond and Essendon tackle with more ferocity than the Pies these days.

3. They outmarked us all over the ground.

4. Reid was no match for Brown. N. Brown would have been better. Or even Leroy. And where the hell is Goldsack?

5. With our lack of accuracy around goals over the last couple of weeks, (when we do get them in there) Dick and Lockyer would have helped.

5. Somebody should have tagged Power. He killed us in the middle, as did Black in the second half. And if someone tells me either of the two were tagged, I'd be calling for that player to be dropped to the VFL. Disgraceful non-effort, if that's the case.

6. What the hell's gotten into our back six? Maxy's down on form, Harry's made some mistakes of late, Shaw's been quiet and Brown was dropped, conceivably because he didn't do the job on Mooney the week before. Is it just a mid-season slump? I hope so.

For my mind, the only people who really gave it their all Saturday night were: Thomas, Didak, Pendlebury, Swan, Ball and Toovey. The second half, most of the others may as well not have turned up.
Good post yourself. On point two, I've already mentioned this but am surprised no one until you has really picked up on it: we had a total of 49 tackles for the game, and astonishingly, Alan Toovey and Dane Swan had 19 of those between them. So, 30 tackles laid between 20 other players - not good enough there. Definitely a big drop in work-rate, and a major reason why we lost.

Also on the back six, I thought Harry was very good, but Heater was beaten and Maxy also when he was forced onto Fevola (with Presti being shifted onto Brown). That robbed us of a lot of run. It came down to Brown smashing Reid in the first half, ultimately. More on this earlier in the thread if you're prepared to wade through it.
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mel_kay39 wrote:
Pied Piper wrote:^ And Carlton beat Geelong. And St Kilda. But they lost to us, and Hawthorn, and Essendon.

Fremantle also beat Geelong when no one thought they were any good.

Essendon beat St Kilda, then the Western Bulldogs. In between they've been smashed by everyone.

Jon Brown is a champion. He was opposed to a pup who's played 15 games. Now, we might have erred in selection there, but Reid has been good enough to justify his spot and will have to learn. As for Brown, he might be sore but he's good enough and brave enough to lift his team over the line when they needed him most.

There's 22 rounds and 16 teams in this competition. It's not all about us. All this crap about "good sides don't drop these games..." - well, actually, they do. Will you just grow up a bit?
Great post.

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Pied Piper wrote:Just because you've been following the Pies for 50 years doesn't give you a mortgage on misery.
Gold line PP :lol:
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mel_kay39 wrote: 2. Our tackling is way down. Where's the intensity? Apparently Richmond and Essendon tackle with more ferocity than the Pies these days.
We won tackles 63-49
mel_kay39 wrote: 3. They outmarked us all over the ground.
Uncontested marks, yes.
mel_kay39 wrote: 4. Reid was no match for Brown. N. Brown would have been better. Or even Leroy. And where the hell is Goldsack?
I guess Reid was selected because of he offers more of a complement to Presti. N.Brown's too similar. Though, I would have gone with Brown.
mel_kay39 wrote: 5. With our lack of accuracy around goals over the last couple of weeks, (when we do get them in there) Dick and Lockyer would have helped.
Dick's not ready. Agree on Locks. Should have played instead of O'Bree. Since when has O'Bree been a forward?
mel_kay39 wrote: 6. What the hell's gotten into our back six? Maxy's down on form, Harry's made some mistakes of late, Shaw's been quiet and Brown was dropped, conceivably because he didn't do the job on Mooney the week before. Is it just a mid-season slump? I hope so.
N.Brown played on Pods against Geelong - kept him to 1 goal. Reid was on Mooney. Again, Brown's definitely the better stopper (kept Pods and Pav to 1 goal, Hendersen goalless - Reid had 5 kicked on him by O'haiAlpin, 3 by Mooney) but Reid offers more rebound and versatility.
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