Gun laws in USA??

[thesoretoothsayer]

I think wpt probably has this sort of (entirely on-point) statistical analysis in mind: https://www.statista.com/statistics/476 ... er-s-race/

Looks like there is a problem with white people with guns.

Statistically, whites make up 73.3% of the US population and, according to the page you refer to, are responsible for 59 mass shootings. Blacks make up 12.6% of the US population and are responsible for 17 mass shootings. Mathematics isn't my strong suit but this suggests that blacks are over-represented in mass shootings and, as Wokko's graphic demonstrates, are vastly over-represented in general homicides.

As such, since you and WPT seem obsessed with taking guns away from particular racial groups why aren't you advocating that they be taken away from black people?

[David]

Honestly I think race is a bit of a red herring here. It makes sense that gun crime might be more common among people from lower socioeconomic backgrounds. You can maybe investigate the role that men and masculinity play (and have always played) in violence, but otherwise the most meaningful common factor is easy access to deadly weaponry.

[Pies4shaw]

[watt price tully]

I think wpt probably has this sort of (entirely on-point) statistical analysis in mind: https://www.statista.com/statistics/476 ... er-s-race/

Looks like there is a problem with white people with guns.

Statistically, ......

As such, since you and WPT seem obsessed with taking guns away from particular racial groups why aren't you advocating that they be taken away from black people?

It aint gunna happen in the US. However I'll setttle for taking guns away from men. Good idea.

[HAL]

I thought so too.

[MJ23]

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1059299507538665472?s=19

Uh huh

Its not hard to understand for some.

I dont think the 440 real people killed in Chicago just this year would see themselves as a misdirection as WPF will have you beleive when talking about Gun violence in a gun violence topic discussion. These were women, blacks, Jews......

Im sure not too many of the perpetrators liked their victims.

Talking about misdirection, WPF will continually compare the right of centre Americans with the far right and mass murders. I struggle to understand an argument that constantly sees extremism in one side of the political spectrum yet cant, or wont admit the extremism sits on both sides and is condemned by both sides. Will argue the leader of one political party's constant rhetoric is cause for violence yet when faced with numerous examples of rhetoric from the other side and incidents of violence........crickets.

What isnt a surprise though is the need to attack the the other side personally when the argument isn't working out how you thought it would. Fairly common place on the left.

Good lord, so many errors and so little time:

1. WPF? Which 7 year old did you steal that from?
2. Have I once said that Trump caused the racist murders by a white right wing male? No. Misattribution again.
3. Not once have I stated that there aren't extemists on the left a false claim by you indeed it's a lie. Straw man argument, false claim, misrepresentation and a porky pie by you. You just thought that would be good to make up and throw in. Sorry you've been caught out.
4. You continue to use killings in Chicago per se and compare this with murderous misogyny and racism perpetrated by nutter white wing males. There is no comparison to my specific question:

Why is it that murderous, misogynist and racist white right wing nutter males are attracted to the right wing? To be clear I am asking why it is that these types area attracted to right wing ways of seeing the world.

Now I'm not so binary as to say that there are not racists and misogynists on the left but they don't go into synagogues and shoot people, they don't go into churches and shoot people dead and they don't kill gays in discos or shoot women in a yoga studio as far as I know: This seems to be the exclusive domain of right wing, white, racist, mysogynist and homophpobic nutter males who obviously are attracted to the right. In the words of professor Julius Sumner Miller "why is it so"

Please refrain from misattribution, misrepresentation and misdirection.

You are the embodiment of Misattribution, misrepresetation and misdirection. And again, the personal attack. Pathetic. Condescending and pathetic.

1. Yes - you explicitly blamed Trump for a synagogues shooting. I dont care what language you think you used - you blamed him. You said its a no-brainer just to what degree to apportion the blame.

2. Yes you haven't stated there are not extremists on the left - what Ive said was you haven't acknowledged that they are there at all when you've constantly attacked the right. Not the far right...the right of centre and Trump who is not far rigt.

3. I use Chicago consistently for a reason that I knew your narrow thinking wouldn't pick up on for a few reasons. Chicago murders and gun violence is one of the worst citys in the country and got worse under Obama, is Democrat run and has purportedly the toughest gun laws in the US. Hasn't much helped because the criminals have all the guns !

Im not sure every Nutter is attracted to extreme right wing but extreme right wing are all nutters. Antifa are full of nutters and they are left. Guarantee nobody in a gang in Chicago is voting republican.

In a topic on gun violence, you go straight to mass shooting to suit your racist argument on politics. One murder at a time even when there are 440 of them in less than a year that you dont want to talk about in a US gun topic discussion.

105 "mass or spree shootings" since 1982 killing 860 people. (not two years of shooting deaths in what city do you think?)
60 committed by white males
45 completed by other races
89 - had mental health issues. Not something we seem to worry about or assign blame to.
4 only committed by females. So why do you call for "white" males to be banned and not all males ?

Lets have a look at just some attacks by the left that I could be bothered looking up.

Ft.Hood shooter Nidal Hasan - Democrat, and muslim
Adam Lanza - Liberal, hated Christians
Columbine High School freaks - too young to vote but came from very liberal families
Virginia Tech shooter, Seung-Hui Cho - liberal freak
Virginia Tech decapitater - liberal
Colorado Theater shooter James Holmes - liberal
Live on air Roanoke VA TV station shooter Vester Lee Flanagan - liberal
Navy shipyard shooter Aaron Alexis - liberal
Arizona Gabby Giffords shooter Jared Loughner - Liberal, hated Bush
The DC snipers back in 2003 - Liberals
Chattanooga TN Marine Recruiting center shooter - Muslim democrat
Ted Kaczynski (the Unabomber) - Leftist

Some other examples of the violent left?...

Lee Harvy Oswald (JFK) - Marxist (hard core lefty)
John Hinkley (Reagan) - Democrat
John Wilkes Booth (Lincoln) - Democrat
Lynette 'squeaky' Fromme (Gerd Ford attempt) - Liberal
Sir Han Sir Han (RFK) - Liberal
Bill Ayers - US domestic terrorist - Liberal
Bernadine Dohrn - US domestic terrorist - Liberal
Occupy Wall Street - over 8,000 arrests, 3 murders, 2 arson, 10 plus reported rapes - a hardcore leftist movement
KKK- was spawn from democrats
Eradication of Jews 1940's (holocaust) - Hitler a member of the National Socialist Workers Party aka a hardcore leftist.
Planned parenthood - contentious I know but do some research on Margaret Sanger founder. I looked this up after Cadice Owens pointed it out.
Slavery - Democrats were proponents.

What about voting record?
13th amendment - abolish slavery.
%100 Republican support
%23 Dem support - actually had a good year for them

14th amendment - citizenship to freed slaves and now used by illegals.
%100 Republican support
%0 Dem support

15th amendment - right to vote for all
%100 repuplican support
%0 Dem support

Yet with all that I dont lay blame on the left for these nutters. Left of centre as opposed to far left I can find common ground. Conservatives usually can.

Please refrain from miss-attribution, misrepresentation and misdirection.

( just seemed ok to end with that as I guess it means what, Im right and your not ?)

[Pies4shaw]

I hear the metallic rasping of the bottom of the barrel, there.

[MJ23]

dbl

[HAL]

To me too.

[David]

[David]

[MJ23]

[MJ23]

[watt price tully]

crickets.

Good lord, so many errors and so little time:

1. WPF? Which 7 year old did you steal that from?
2. Have I once said that Trump caused the racist murders by a white right wing male? No. Misattribution again.
3. Not once have I stated that there aren't extemists on the left a false claim by you indeed it's a lie. Straw man argument, false claim, misrepresentation and a porky pie by you. You just thought that would be good to make up and throw in. Sorry you've been caught out.
4. You continue to use killings in Chicago per se and compare this with murderous misogyny and racism perpetrated by nutter white wing males. There is no comparison to my specific question:

Why is it that murderous, misogynist and racist white right wing nutter males are attracted to the right wing? To be clear I am asking why it is that these types area attracted to right wing ways of seeing the world.

Now I'm not so binary as to say that there are not racists and misogynists on the left but they don't go into synagogues and shoot people, they don't go into churches and shoot people dead and they don't kill gays in discos or shoot women in a yoga studio as far as I know: This seems to be the exclusive domain of right wing, white, racist, mysogynist and homophpobic nutter males who obviously are attracted to the right. In the words of professor Julius Sumner Miller "why is it so"

Please refrain from misattribution, misrepresentation and misdirection.

.....

1. Yes - you explicitly blamed Trump for a synagogues shooting. I dont care what language you think you used - you blamed him. You said its a no-brainer just to what degree to apportion the blame.

If your premise is incorrect so too is your conclusion.

Fact check:

I never blamed Trump for the murders in the synagogue, the murders in the church of Afican Americans or the murder of women in a Yoga studio. Not once.

I do say Trump his admin his cronies, etc (hopefuly and likely unintentionally) contributed to the climate of fear and of hate. That climate of fear and hate enables and permits nutters who happen to be murderous racist and misogynist white males. Those same murderous, racist and misogynist white males are attracted to the right. Why is this so?

This is not to say that all people of the right are racist, misogynist white males. That should go without saying. If however you draw that conclusion then I can't assist you as that is not what I've said. I've also said there are nutters on the left.

If you don't care about language then there is not point in argument. I unreservedly accept your apology though.

BTW I thought I heard on radio that the POTUS said he needed to turn down the rhetoric. I haven't heard all of it & was half asleep when I turned the radio on earlier this morning so I could have got that out of context.

[MJ23]

I never blamed Trump but I said instead A + B = C and its implied. But I never said it......

"That Trump and his admin / cronies have created the conditons necessary for these type of incidents to occur that is, the mass shooting in the synagogue and the pipe bombs etc is not even a debating point."
Like no conditions existed before Trump..... There is no hateful rhetoric on the left......Some have argued the divisiveness started under Obama going too far left.

"Did Trump, his admin and cronies contribute to enable murderers: absolutely. The only argument here is to what extent? "
Probably moves away from implication to accusation but you will no doubt argue the contrary.

"He is POTUS and needs to take some responsibility and tone down his rhetoric to his true-believers. "
This ones my favourite. This implies his "true Believers" are alt right. That is his base. This is who he wants voting for him even if/when he condemns them. That no-one in middle America currently supporting Trump could be anything other than a true believer. 60+million of them.

FWIW Id like them all to tone down the rhetoric. Hollywood, the media, Dems and Trump. What happened to Kavanaugh was a disgrace.

Trump aint a normal politician though and certainly not a normal republican. When he gets attacked, he cant help himself he attacks right back. He should be better but FFS spare me the partisan blame game when it comes to violence.