US election 2020

[David]

Like him or hate him, one has to admit Sanders has an extraordinarily effective media strategy. I usually pay little mind to political advertising, but this is dynamite:

https://youtu.be/Ikgh4JbAWUU

[Jezza]

Speaking of effective media strategies, did CNN just help Trump's election campaign

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuzfmxSvnD0

[David]

[David]

[Wokko]

Except Sanders is in no better position to tear up systems than Trump is. The President is far more restricted than most people think he is, he's there to be Commander in Chief and to veto Congress. That's it. Sure there's been a lot of overreach through "Executive Orders" and such but there's still a lot less power than most think.

It's why the whole "Trump is literally Hitler" thing is such a big joke.

[stui magpie]

I did some reading on Bloomberg today. Impressive bloke, self made Billionaire and his strategy is all playing out so far.

Spend a few spare $Mil on advertising, avoid the first 4 primaries and getting into fights with other democrats, and make your move on Super Tuesday if Biden or another moderate hasn't put themselves in front.

Bernie doing well is the trigger for Bloomberg to swoop on Super Tuesday and blow the race out of the water. He hasn't thrown a punch in anger yet apart from some TV advertising but he's the bookies 2nd favourite behind Sanders to win the nomination and 3rd favourite to be next POTUS.

Sanders can't beat Trump, Bloomberg could, and that's why Bloomberg will be the nominee if and when he fully enters the race.

Interesting article.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... on/605956/

Phil Levine, the former mayor of Miami Beach, told me after Bloomberg’s event in Wynwood that he wasn’t concerned about a blowup. The goal of beating Trump can create its own unity, he argued, and Democrats have to be realistic about the fact that Trump won in 2016. “What makes us think they want to elect a socialist?”

[David]

[stui magpie]

The people who support Sanders might hate him, but they also hated Hillary. That worked well. I think you over estimate the amount of centre left support.

I heard Eddie on the radio this morning, he's been in the USA for over a week and from the conversations he's had with a lot of high powered people, he reckons Bloomberg is the only one who can beat trump.

He might also be as old as Biden and Sanders, but he's the only one who can actually point to a record of achievement both in personal and public life.

[David]

[stui magpie]

^

From what I read he was a republican for about 8 years because he needed to be, otherwise he's always been a democrat.

He has a CV the others could only dream about. They can say what they would do, he can just point and go, Did that.

[pietillidie]

^Nothing too embarrassing along with the efforts to turn national damage and decline into greatness?

Yep, trying to turn around the damage caused by Bush and Obama is admirable.

Everything about him is Bush, from the billionaire tax cuts, to the wars (trade wars are every bit wars), to the support of religious extremists, to the Axis of Evil, to the imaginary manufacturing boom, to the creation of rubbish jobs, to ill-invested deficit spending, to the deregulation, to the glorying over the skyrocketing market, to the xenophobia, to the mollycoddling of the gun lobby, to the love-in with Saudi Arabia and the Israeli far right and the fossil fuels industry, to the nepotism and appointment of corrupt lackeys, to the endemic corruption of office, to the neglect of productive infrastructure, to the personal ignorance and illiteracy, to daddy's money which started it all.

Who can forget the last "miracle economy" and declaration of "mission accomplished" as Trump voters excitedly elected George W. Bush twice, even as they desperately avoided prosecuting him and his cronies for their crimes?

[thesoretoothsayer]

Everything about him is Bush, from the billionaire tax cuts, to the wars (trade wars are every bit wars)

There is no comparison between Trump trying to screw trade concessions out of the Chinese and the illegal invasion of another country, the killing of hundreds of thousands of civilians, parents losing children and the permanent maiming of young men and women.
This comment is as inane as AFL footballers comparing kicking a piece of cow-skin around to going to war.

[stui magpie]

Like him or hate him, one has to admit Sanders has an extraordinarily effective media strategy. I usually pay little mind to political advertising, but this is dynamite:

https://youtu.be/Ikgh4JbAWUU

Now that I've had a chance to watch it, it reminds me of Shorten's "Big end of town" rhetoric that did not work for him. It's arguing that everyone who isn't part of the 1 % is a victim of that 1%.

Americans, even more than Aussies, are aspirational. That will only fly with the already converted.

Interesting that the backdrop was Bernie sitting down while a younger black man does the work.

I think it's an ad that will (clearly) excite the already converted but aint going to fly.

[pietillidie]

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