Nick's Collingwood Bulletin Board

DaVe86 wrote:Ive never been a huge fan of josh...in fact 2 years ago i started a thread called "Trade Josh Fraser" or something like that and i copped the most abuse i ever have in my life.

Last year, i was proved wrong. Josh did more than stand up last year...he imposed himself on the AFL. Despite to this day not been a fantastic tap ruckman, his ability around the ground makes him at time just as dangerous as Dean Cox. He also found consistency last year.

This year has been very very poor from Josh. He is out of touch. However i do think he was badly injured against the Eagles and is feeling very flat. He did not run on Friday night and barely made an impact against Simmonds in teh ruck...in fact Guy Richards did quite a good job at times in the ruck (but again showed how much of a dud he is aroudn the ground)

Josh should be rested somewhere during the season. Not yet as we are so undermanned, but he should be given a break and Bryan should be tested somewhere. Essendon could be a good idea to try Bryan as they usually play Hille, Laycock and Ryder, but we must find a game where josh is rested completely.

My problem with josh is his aerial skills. Although he can take some good marks, he is not a good contested mark as he has a light frame and is easily displaced in a contest.

I am amazed at the amount of people calling for him to be a permanent forward. He would be a total waste in this position. He cannot take contested marks, he is a 50/50 shot on goal, and although been quick for his height, is not quick for a modern day forward. A good defender like a Rutten, Scarlett or Glass would eat him up...so would most teams 2nd rate defender.

His ability comes from being an attacking ruckman. He is quicker and more agile than just about anyone in the league for his height...including Cox...and when he goes forward, his opponent cant go with him and he finds himself in space and is able to penetrate on the lead.

He puffs out because he runs so much for a ruckman...something he has not done this year admittingly. But his workrate is top rate usually. If Richards finally comes through, it will be an enormous boost for Josh who can have more breaks on the bench or up forward with a mis-match.

Im sure Josh will stand up this year again, but he is carrying something at the moment. The next 2 weeks will be telling as we play Saturday, then again on Wednesday infront of 90 thousand. However he should get a good rest after that.

Neil Appleby wrote:I've watched Josh over the last 6 years and continue to be disappointed.
He still teases us with a little bit of brilliance every so often and then he goes missing....completely. His first half against the Kangas was pitiful.

Against Richmond he had no influence in the first half and yet did well in the second half.

The thing is, he is not a young hopeful, he was our acting captain and yet Rocca appeared to do all the yapping and encouraging.

Josh just lacks consistent intensity and I find myself screaming at the TV for him to impose himself.

He shouldn't ever be considered for captain.

Is he an untouchable now?
He should be high on our trading list in my opinion.

I've run out of patience Josh.

Tess wrote:I actually started the same discussion last week. The same people are once again avoiding the actual issue.

Neil Appleby wrote:I thought I'd cop a spray for my views; never worries me if I believe I'm right. As for placing me on your ignore list......should I be particularly upset by that Joff?

This is a forum for Collingwood fans to express ideas, popular or not.

As for being negative, I think 90% of my postings over the past 7-8 years have been very positive.

As one of the original members here I think I've earned the right to express an opinion and just to remind you, if I have a problem with any posters here I deal with them in a fair and reasonable manner; I don't attack like a pit bull and chirlishly place them on an ignore list.