Climate change

[bokka]

On the practical means by which the fossil fuel industry has been specifically propagating a strategy of misinformation about the likelihood for and potential effects of climate change for more than half a century, see the following:

https://www.climatechangecommunication. ... Misled.pdf

It deals in a reasonably simple way with virtually everything that has been said in this thread in support of the assertion that there is a "climate change furphy".

the articile does cite lots of references. To really evaluate such an article and its claims, you have to get copies of some of the sources the pivotal points are based on, and read and carefully evaluate them. That usually means also reading reference articles that the reference article cites.
Here's one of them I just looked up:
https://www.eenews.net/assets/2016/01/0 ... _cw_01.pdf

But that process is very time-consuming not to mention very boring. how many people have time for that? one thing you can get pretty quickly from perusing such articles - the type of language they use and whether it is properly objective. For exampel liberal use of "deniers" in both of these articles strongly suggests a big bias and use of deliberately emotive judgmental language.

[Pies4shaw]

No, “deniers” is a perfectly accurate description.

[thesoretoothsayer]

Claim that those who screech most about climate change do the least environmental action. It appears that saying "the government should do something..." absolves you of any personal responsibility.

https://unherd.com/thepost/will-climate ... l-warming/

[roar]

the articile does cite lots of references. To really evaluate such an article and its claims, you have to get copies of some of the sources the pivotal points are based on, and read and carefully evaluate them. That usually means also reading reference articles that the reference article cites.

But that process is very time-consuming not to mention very boring. how many people have time for that?

This is precisely how the deniers can throw so much crap out there.

[pietillidie]

Claim that those who screech most about climate change do the least environmental action. It appears that saying "the government should do something..." absolves you of any personal responsibility.

https://unherd.com/thepost/will-climate ... l-warming/

You probably ought to have read the original work before forming an opinion on it, although I realise it's behind a paywall.

The study creates a false dichotomy between 'support for government policy' and 'pro-environmental behaviour'. E.g., it classes 'support for an increase in gasoline tax' as 'support for government policy' but not as 'pro-environmental behaviour'.

Responsibility is strategised very differently by different people. A gasoline tax or recycling by a council might be viewed as preferable to individual action because they're not subject to free riding, can be measured more precisely, and can be adjusted in a responsive fashion. In contrast, individual action that is overwhelmed by bad policy might be considered futile or even open to abuse by people who want to be seen doing the right thing even as they vote for environmentally-destructive policies.

Having failed to deal with this complexity, which I would've thought was the main problem to grapple with, the study is of dubious value.

[David]

The full study is linked below. Honestly, I couldn't totally get my head around it, but the meat of it seems to be that (among the Americans surveyed over the course of a year) climate sceptics self-reported being somewhat better at using public transport, eco-friendly products or reusable shopping bags than members of either the "cautiously worried" or "highly concerned" groups (who were, in contrast, better at recycling). That does seem to be a counterintuitive finding and one wonders how much it would bear out for demographics in other countries or at other times.

https://osf.io/bd4fn/download

[Skids]

[Pies4shaw]

That’s a textbook set of the denialist strategies right there. Well done, Skids.

[David]

Mr. Gore’s spokesperson replied on Armstrong’s answering phone on around February 5. The caller apologized for being so late for responding to the November 28 letter. She said, “Senator Gore declines.”

I guess you could say that he failed to strong-arm him into it.

...I'll see myself out.

[Skids]

[stui magpie]

Environmentalists and climate change activists trying to shut down the Imarc mining conference in Melbourne and calling for an end to mining.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/vict ... 53568.html

50+ arrests, 4 Police injured. I saw some of the "highlights" on the news of people trying to attend the conference being manhandled, assaulted and abused

This is the website for the conference, hardly seems like a gathering of evil doers https://imarcmelbourne.com/

I wonder if these idealistic numbats bothered to stop and think what a world with no mining would look like?

[Pies4shaw]

Probably cooler?

[stui magpie]

Good response, but just for a minute look around your home and think of how many things rely on mining.

No house unless the wooden beams are held together with something other than metal nails, brackets and screws

No car, bicycle, bus, train, tram

no clothes which were made on machines made of metal

No cooking unless you like your food cooked in clay pots over coals

No electricity and all the flow on consequences.

Think traditional Aboriginal lifestyle before European settlement.

[pietillidie]

^Protesting mining per se sounds like a satirical story from The Onion. Are they really protesting against all mining or just destructive and unethical mining?

I do wonder if most street protests achieve anything, but don't forget we are dealing with an industry that literally, actually underwrites war, dictatorship, religious tyranny, terrorism, militias, death squads, land theft, people movement, legislative capture and political interference across the world, in addition to vast environmental destruction. There's probably no need to shed a tear for them.

[stui magpie]

^

My read is that they're protesting against all mining, all of which they consider unethical and destructive.