Climate change

[pietillidie]

^

My read is that they're protesting against all mining, all of which they consider unethical and destructive.

If that's the case I share your irritation because a lack of nuance only makes them look foolish, as your post points out. It's not like they need to try very hard to put together a critique of bad mining that most people could agree with.

I do empathise with your views, I just don't want to let mining off the hook at the same time. I would rather them do something more effective like shake cans to raise money for media production and Facebook ads as part of a targeted campaign. There are probably sensible groups there doing that, though - the extremists tend to get their heads on telly.

[Wokko]

I think the nugget in the Eureka flag is a bit confused.

[Skids]

^Protesting mining per se sounds like a satirical story from The Onion. Are they really protesting against all mining or just destructive and unethical mining?

I do wonder if most street protests achieve anything, but don't forget we are dealing with an industry that literally, actually underwrites war, dictatorship, religious tyranny, terrorism, militias, death squads, land theft, people movement, legislative capture and political interference across the world, in addition to vast environmental destruction. There's probably no need to shed a tear for them.

They've no idea. ALL mining is destructive, it's what it's all about. You dig up the good stuff!
Sure, the miners put out the token enviros , and, believe me, that's all they are.

No mining? What will we make solar panels out of? Lettuce leaves?

Absolutely clueless fools with nothing to contribute to society, oxygen thieves.

[think positive]

Slapped a police horse in the face?? I hope they get a judge that lost his old dog last week. Dickheads

My eldest works in the city, one walked up to her and said they are arresting people, she said good they are doing their job!

All they are doing is pissing people off, there has to be more positive ways to get people attention

One guy said they are wearing jackets, jackets made from petroleum products!

I’m al to change to stop the damage we are doing to the environment but this isn’t the way to get attention

[pietillidie]

^Protesting mining per se sounds like a satirical story from The Onion. Are they really protesting against all mining or just destructive and unethical mining?

I do wonder if most street protests achieve anything, but don't forget we are dealing with an industry that literally, actually underwrites war, dictatorship, religious tyranny, terrorism, militias, death squads, land theft, people movement, legislative capture and political interference across the world, in addition to vast environmental destruction. There's probably no need to shed a tear for them.

They've no idea. ALL mining is destructive, it's what it's all about. You dig up the good stuff!
Sure, the miners put out the token enviros , and, believe me, that's all they are.

No mining? What will we make solar panels out of? Lettuce leaves?

Absolutely clueless fools with nothing to contribute to society, oxygen thieves.

Children's pythons, red-bellied black snakes and death adders are ALL snakes, but if you have to be bitten there is a clear order of preference.

You're making the same error as the people you're calling clueless fools and oxygen thieves.

[David]

[Skids]

^Protesting mining per se sounds like a satirical story from The Onion. Are they really protesting against all mining or just destructive and unethical mining?

I do wonder if most street protests achieve anything, but don't forget we are dealing with an industry that literally, actually underwrites war, dictatorship, religious tyranny, terrorism, militias, death squads, land theft, people movement, legislative capture and political interference across the world, in addition to vast environmental destruction. There's probably no need to shed a tear for them.

They've no idea. ALL mining is destructive, it's what it's all about. You dig up the good stuff!
Sure, the miners put out the token enviros , and, believe me, that's all they are.

No mining? What will we make solar panels out of? Lettuce leaves?

Absolutely clueless fools with nothing to contribute to society, oxygen thieves.

Children's pythons, red-bellied black snakes and death adders are ALL snakes, but if you have to be bitten there is a clear order of preference.

You're making the same error as the people you're calling clueless fools and oxygen thieves.

I can see no merit in your comparison.

Please, do tell, what mining isn't destructive...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environme ... _of_mining

Unlike the clowns protesting, I've seen many mine sites first hand.

[stui magpie]

[pietillidie]

^That sample makes sense, and the list of concerns looks legitimate enough. The conference also bills itself as international in scope, so that encompasses a whole range of much nastier mining-related activities than we see locally (my mind is taken to a documentary I once watched on the horror lives of sulphur mining workers in Indonesia).

They've no idea. ALL mining is destructive, it's what it's all about. You dig up the good stuff!
Sure, the miners put out the token enviros , and, believe me, that's all they are.

No mining? What will we make solar panels out of? Lettuce leaves?

Absolutely clueless fools with nothing to contribute to society, oxygen thieves.

Children's pythons, red-bellied black snakes and death adders are ALL snakes, but if you have to be bitten there is a clear order of preference.

You're making the same error as the people you're calling clueless fools and oxygen thieves.

I can see no merit in your comparison.

Please, do tell, what mining isn't destructive...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environme ... _of_mining

Unlike the clowns protesting, I've seen many mine sites first hand.

The comparison concerns the all-or-nothing lack of nuance you both share. You replied to fools wanting to ban all mining - let's assume for a moment the story was true - with the equally vacuous declaration that all mining is destructive. The fact you're having trouble seeing just how vacuous that statement is speaks for itself.

How many mining-related civil wars, land dispossessions, poisoned villages, or terrorist/autocrat-funding revenue streams have you been involved in, first hand? Even ignoring these (which is impossible given their prevalence and the international reach of capital and MNCs), do you hold that better and worse mining techniques, site management approaches, moral economies and laws don't and can't exist? That if we look at the history of mining or mining in distant lands we won't see a range of possibilities? Do you hold that better alternatives cannot be designed or legislated in any context? Would you happily work on any and all mining sites, or engage in any and all mining activities on the basis that, in any case, 'all mining is destructive'?

Your experience makes your glibness even worse; rather than using your knowledge to guide these 'clowns' towards a more sophisticated discussion of the topic, you instead tried to outdo them with an air-headed Donald Trump tweet. Don't get me wrong; I do think you're knowledgeable and insightful, you're just choosing not to be constructive.

[Wokko]

[Pies4shaw]

Very funny meme - just kind of nipping at the heels of intelligent thought, there.

[thesoretoothsayer]

The sad thing about the meme is that it actually happened:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-n ... s-answered

[Jezza]

The science was settled when everyone thought the Earth was flat

[David]

[Wokko]

It'd be more accurate to say "The science was settled when everyone thought the Earth was center of the universe"