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he can go to another employer, Coles always need trolley collectors or bathroom cleaners. maybe he could work on a brewery production line.

nothing wrong with those jobs, but im betting they dont pay 6 figures.
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Well, I think there's continual jousting between the AFL and the AFLPA about how much the players get paid (concretely, what percentage of the AFL revenue should go to the players). I think in these negotiations the AFLPA really does say, "We want it raised from x% of the revenue to y%." They will then quote figures from another sport where it's z% of the revenue, provided z is large and thus suits their argument. The AFL pushes back, of course, so they're playing this legal game. "According to [name of some useless management consultant company], your members' behaviour off-field is diminishing our revenue by w%," the AFL says. So in the end they agree to a modest increase in the slice of the pie the players get, in return for a modest increase in control over the players' off-field behaviour.
And, consequently, a player gets $200k a year, and the club can fine him $5k for drink-driving.

As it's said in The Godfather (surely David likes those movies!), it's not personal, no hard feelings, it's just business.
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its going to cost him a lot more than that! cant remember the last time i said this but Well Done Collingwood, you got this 100% right!

C'mon kid show us what your made of. Im excited!
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$5k is the max for a first offence.
Now, we know it's $10k for a repeat offence.
And we know how in effect to bypass such limits.
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think positive wrote:he can go to another employer, Coles always need trolley collectors or bathroom cleaners. maybe he could work on a brewery production line.

nothing wrong with those jobs, but im betting they dont pay 6 figures.
The other option, of course, is to go and play Gaelic football. I'm confident he has what it takes to be a very good player there. And they probably have fewer restrictions on players' lifestyles (though I don't really know). But there are good reasons why the flow of players is in only one direction. Funny that, huh? Maybe he should have a word to Marty Clarke et al.
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Why isn't it right, though? This lad likely "earns" nearly 4 times the average Australian household income and it is fair to say that he's done little to justify that, so far. Having that sort of relatively unusual remuneration comes at a cost - people reasonably expect the recipient to do relatively unusual things for it.

I get paid much better than JDG. If I were to turn up to court drunk or to give bad advice because I hadn't worked hard enough on someone's problem, I would lose the gig. That's as it should be - the world doesn't owe me a living. It doesn't owe him one, either. If he wants to be paid a relatively high income as an elite professional sportsperson, it's incumbent upon him to do the things that will position him to succeed.

At the absolute minimum, it's incumbent upon JDG to avoid doing things that reduce the prospect that he may ever achieve his sporting potential. What might be in one's "spare time" as a telephone call-centre operative is not necessarily in one's "spare time" as a would-be elite professional athlete. I don't think that it's a denial of worker's rights to draw the line on people doing things that are destructive of their potential productive output when their remuneration assumes that their output is required to be delivered at an unusually high standard.
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No, while the club's reputation may be part of the issue, it's not the only issue. I disagree with this belief that it's not affecting his training or performance or that of the team.

His teammates seem aggrieved, some of them to an extent I've never witnessed previously in their decade-long careers. I don't think this punishment is just something imposed by the suits above, with no input from the players and no support from the players. His behaviour is therefore having a strongly negative effect on the team.

On an individual level, there is no way that does not affect his training and performance. What night exactly was it? Saturday night? I assume there was no training the next day, but it still undermines his performance. And is he fully recovered from the operation? If not, it undermined the recovery as well. I don't know why so many think otherwise. That's not how athletic performance works.
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