Who says white supremacists are stupid?

[ronrat]

When Justin Bieber was egged in Melbourne years ago I got sore ribs from laughing.

Peter Gordon. Ambulance chaser personified.

[K]

Is that why he went with the Doggies?

[think positive]

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Should you be allowed to crack an egg on any unsuspecting persons head unless it’s a game?

Far, far worse things have happened to me and you and everyone here that no one thought twice about as being wrong.

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I still think violence is a very different thing, hence why I wasn't even remotely inclined to support that Astro Labe guy headbutting Tony Abbott.

Yep, headbutting is clear violence. Cracking eggs isn't.

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Peter Gordon is the kid's lawyer, by the way.

I don’t agree. It can lead to far worse, i don’t understand why it’s ever I to lay hands on some random on the street, or a political figure. Yes the guy is a tool. But be the bigger man.

Yes worse has happened to me, and now i choose to be a better person.

[K]

The goons' reaction was far more seriously illegal.

The "it could escalate" argument applies equally well to just yelling at each other or pulling faces or gesturing.

[think positive]

Who threw the first punch is far more an appropriate question than who raised their voice first!

Did he over react? Certainly, but if no egg nothing to react to. His job is to be a goon and he did his job.

Far better uses for eggs, chickens work damn hard to produce them! Cheers

[stui magpie]

^

No, it wasn't. You're permitted to use reasonable force in self defence, Annings attempted slaps would be considered reasonable force (but a piss poor look for a politician) so therefore not illegal.

The mob who piled onto the kid, supposedly to restrain him, may have pushed the boundaries.

So in essence.

Kid committed assault
Anning responded in self defence
Goon squad may be liable for over zealous restraint, bordering assault.

[think positive]

^

No, it wasn't. You're permitted to use reasonable force in self defence, Annings attempted slaps would be considered reasonable force (but a piss poor look for a politician) so therefore not illegal.

The mob who piled onto the kid, supposedly to restrain him, may have pushed the boundaries.

So in essence.

Kid committed assault
Anning responded in self defence
Goon squad may be liable for over zealous restraint, bordering assault.

Ah yeah I typed that wrong, I meant the goon! I don’t blame the other guy for lashing out at least the first tine. That’s a natural reaction, and the second swipe was humiliation, which was fair enough.

[K]

Yeah, TP, I read you as referring to the chokehold guys.

But I just saw the video again because it auto-played on a NYT article.
The video shows the polly's reaction was not instinct or self-defence. It shows him turn around and stare at the kid for what seems like ages. He then takes one step forward (towards the kid, because he's been facing the kid for that pregnant pause) and swipes at him.

Clearly just temper/revenge, not self-defence. He should be charged.

[think positive]

Nah, the kid wasn’t hurt.

[stui magpie]

What's also interesting in this sideshow, is if Anning had of slipped on the egg and hit his head, causing injury, the kid could be charged under the coward punch legislation. Something to think about.

[watt price tully]

[watt price tully]

^Straight to the periphery.

The only pertinent point is that Anning has turned up in the same place, thousands of miles from his electorate, in the company of the same neo-Nazis twice, so far, this year.

Correct weight again P4S: John Safran’s book is illuminating and terrifying in some ways at the same time re the far and not so far right:
https://www.penguin.com.au/books/depend ... 0143789895

[David]

[K]

' "Egg Boy is an example of that complex communication," Safran says ... "What he did really communicated a vibe and it was really an answer to the conversation the far right was having. It was a way of having the conversation that cut through, which you can do when you realise that not everything is a Q&A panel or a Drum panel.

"You need to have these messy, stranger, more unmoderated conversations to get these points across. I mean, if communication was that easy, and the way you argue things was that easy, you could just come up with these arguments and then suddenly there would be peace in the world." '

https://www.theage.com.au/national/i-as ... 516of.html

[stui magpie]

This is a pretty good article on the state of the conversation at present.


https://www.theage.com.au/world/north-a ... 5160h.html

It has several examples of people being slammed online for making reasonable statements that some viewed as containing things they disagreed with, from both left and right.

A common finding of psychological research is that, when we surround ourselves with like-minded people, our existing beliefs aren't simply reinforced. Our views actually become more extreme