Thinking ahead to 2024 draft...(and beyond)

[piffdog]

^ thankful we found Checkers. Loves 'repeated physical contact'...

[Pies2016]

With the likely departures of Richards and Noble, we’re already on our way to a much improved and flexible draft hand during the trade period. I had posted previously, the best way to minimise any losses while still improving our own trade capital, was to facilitate two or three “ fringe “ player trades.
I would also keep an eye on McInnes future, only because he isn’t contracted after 2024 … yet.
Working on a scenario that includes either one of McInnes OR MacRae moving on ( examples only ) along with Noble and Richards, would then see a draft hand of something close to 2 x late second rounders and 4 x early third rounders.
Go into the last few days of the trade period with a draft hand like that and the options become limitless. That’s also not including the possibility of trading out our future first rounder either.
It’s all about creativity and being proactive. You also need to get those deals done quickly, so as to move on to whatever you see coming back into the club.

[lazzadesilva]

^^^^

Is he a risk worth taking?

Only if you're in to purses...

So not worth ‘purse’suing …..

[lazzadesilva]

I had posted previously, the best way to minimise any losses while still improving our own trade capital, was to facilitate two or three “ fringe “ player trades.

Would you consider Frampton as a fringe player?

[Pies2016]

Would you consider Frampton as a fringe player?

He’s was more than a fringe player in 2024 but mainly because we had a deficiency in that area of the ground. If we’re going to get better, he needs to become a fringe or depth player only in 2025.
The other issue with Frampton is, that at 28 later this year, having already been at three clubs and having very little upside, he’s not likely to be of interest to a fourth club. I’m happy to have him on our list in ‘25 but would be even happier if we didn’t have a need to play him in the seniors every week.

[SLORT]

^
I think Framps is a tease. Some days he's like Hulk Hogan. Other days he looks like he's Rainman.

[neil]

There are only two ways to draft a gun KPF either F/S which is a difficult lottery of genetics and desire to play football or go bottom of the ladder in a year with capable KPFs available
Remember you are not getting a Franklin with pick 17
To trade in a KPF costs two to three early first round picks plus a pile of cash

[SLORT]

Oh to be able to fast-track a Rocca or two...

[stui magpie]

There are only two ways to draft a gun KPF either F/S which is a difficult lottery of genetics and desire to play football or go bottom of the ladder in a year with capable KPFs available
Remember you are not getting a Franklin with pick 17
To trade in a KPF costs two to three early first round picks plus a pile of cash

You can get lucky in the draft, eg Larkey and Mitchell-Lewis.

[The Black and White Lion]

our history of drafting young talls in the main draft and developing them is atrocious.
We choose to trade out of strong positions and then lament that we can’t find a KPF.

Atrocious? We haven't had a top 10 draft pick for a decade. When we did, we needed to trade our 1st rounder to get to Treloar in 2016 and took Stephenson @ #6 then bundle picks to get to pick #4 for Naicos. Which of those were you handing back at the time?

We've drafted a stack of young KPPs in the main draft, rookie and mid season draft with limited success. Going back to 2008 the KPP hit list includes Thoolen, Casey-Leigh, Carter, Reilly, Gordon, Paine, Gault, Hartley, Frost, Richmond, Marsh, McLarty, McCarthy, Schade, Lynch, Madgen, Wilson, Kelly, McMahon, Begg. Ash Johnson could join them soon. I don't think any of the list above have been top 10.

We've had to seek even more alternate means to bring in KPP through FA, trades and rookies and SSP because the KPP hit list has turned into a miss list within 2 to 3 years and sometimes only 1. Will Kelly got the longest run out of that lot for whatever reason but none of them ever hit any heights (except Henry Schade's 1 good game against Franklin when Franklin was injured and the opposition hadn't yet worked out Schade had no centre of gravity and you just had to look at him to knock him off balance).

LH I would love to have a gun KPF and there's a plethora of them in this years draft but I'm not expecting we will be in a position to draft one and we'll continue down the path of seeking alternate means to bring one.

[Pies2016]

You can get lucky in the draft, eg Larkey and Mitchell-Lewis.

Tex Walker, Ben Brown, Josh Treacy ( rookie )

Sometimes I think a good strategy is to just continually invest in a speculative KPP with your last pick in the N D. The investment is minimal but the reward has the potential to be huge. Having said that, you don’t want to end up with a list full of 6’6” spuds who can’t get a kick at VFL level either.
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

[K]

There are only two ways to draft a gun KPF either F/S which is a difficult lottery of genetics and desire to play football or go bottom of the ladder in a year with capable KPFs available
...

Well, the **** will really hit the fan in a couple of decades if Treloar & partner have a gun KPF son. (Could happen. Netballers are tall!) Ads played 94 games for the Pies, before becoming a victim of pres. Eddie's unprofessional and unhinged interference in footy matters.

[neil]

You can get lucky in the draft, eg Larkey and Mitchell-Lewis.

You can get lucky but the odds are against it
You named two in a couple of decades of recruiting

[qldmagpie67]

If we end up trading Noble Richard’s and McInnes or Macrae then as pies2016 said our draft hand all of a sudden improves
Brisbane need points so we might be able to find a deal there (2x seconds and a third) for pick 14
We then go to draft pick 14 and a pick in the 20’s and 2x3rd rounders
That would land us something for sure

[Pies2016]

^^^
That’s one option but there’s probably an even simpler solution to climbing the draft ladder.
Work with the Suns on the Noble trade, given they have 6, 13, 20, and 26.
Rioli will likely take up all the conversations with their pick six, so let’s exclude that for now. The Suns also require points for the highly regarded Leo Lombard ( NGA )
My starting point would be we want your pick 13 and you want Johnny Noble. What additional later picks do you want from Collingwood in order for us to do a swap for # 13. I also wouldn’t be surprised if our future picks came into the conversation because they have so many picks in this draft.
Pick 13 in this draft is rolled gold, so it might be something like Noble plus our current second rounder ( which is Hawks pick and if they keep winning, that loses some of its appeal ) Suns get Noble and acquire close to enough points left over for Lombard as their free hit. In return, the Pies get a seat at the table on the opening night of the draft anongst a quality field of U18 talent.
Failing that, then you just restart conversations with their pick 20. Then it might be Noble and one of our two third rounders for that selection.

There’s no one easier to deal with than the Suns. They always have more picks than they need and they tend to accept paying overs for any mature age player who wants to join them. They’re desperate for mature age players because their list is so young. I simply don’t see us losing from this deal. Having said that, what we then go on to do with that pick is another conversation entirely.