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Woods wrote:The reality is that he's a confessed cheat. Dress it up any way you like it, that's what he is.

your dressed as a collingwood "supporter" but i aint seeing it

tbaker wrote:

Woods wrote:The reality is that he's a confessed cheat. Dress it up any way you like it, that's what he is.

Declaring him a cheat is very harsh - yes, he broke the AFL rules, but can hardly be called cheating

Agree with your view tbaker!!!

Woods wrote:

Piesnchess wrote:AFL reeks of hypocrisy, as Tom Elliott, who has no love for the Pies, just now pointed out, the bloody AFL site itself, has the story about Jaydens penalty, but right above it, SAME PAGE, MIND YOU, HAS AN AD PROMOTING GAMBLING IN ALL ITS GLORY. AND, he reminds us that Andrew Gaaff who smashed a yoiung guys face in, KOd him, broke his jaw, knocked out some of his teeth, got bloody EIGHT WEEKS ONLY, yet Stephenson gets hit for a low bet. Now, whats worse, breaking a kids jaw, knocking his teeth out, or betting a few dollars ????

RANK BLOODT AFL GROSS HYPOCRISY, ON SHOW FOR ALL TO SEE.!!

Understand your and others angst, but you are confounding apples with oranges. Betting advertising/sponsorship, breaking jaws etc has nothing to do with this.

It's like this, Stephenson in full knowledge he was in breach of the rules went ahead and placed bets on his own team in AFL games. He has admitted today that he knew it was wrong. He got caught.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu8DB-9az70

So he gets what he deserves. The reality is that he's a confessed cheat. Dress it up any way you like it, that's what he is.

He's got off lightly IMO with just an effective 10 week ban.

Oh so breaking a young kids jaw, knocking out some teeth, gets a lesser penalty than this, get real. Oh and may I remind u, going way back in our Magpies past, the infamous prick Jim Odea, who smashed our Stephenson type back then, John Greening, I was there that day, very young, nearly killed Greening, caused the end of his career, and Greening was never the same again, mentally, that bastard got TEN WEEKS TOO, so u cripple a player, a star, u get ten weeks, u place a lousy low bet, u get same penalty. ??? AS my old Pommie boss used to say, " hells bells and buckets of little ones, the whole world has gone mad " !!

think positive wrote:

Woods wrote:The reality is that he's a confessed cheat. Dress it up any way you like it, that's what he is.

your dressed as a collingwood "supporter" but i aint seeing it

The fact is that Stephenson tried to cheat the rules by placing his bets on friends' accounts.

That makes him a cheat.

You are doing Collingwood damage by trying to pretend that he is not a cheat. You and others need to put your misplaced sympathy aside and deal with reality. If you can. There is no club loyalty in dressing a crook up as a saint.

He's not a little boy that needs mothering. He's an adult that has cheated and got caught. Deal with it.

think positive wrote:

PyreneesPie wrote:

Piesnchess wrote:
Maybe, just maybe, the dude who placed the bet for him threatened to blackmail him, to keep quiet, have u considered that that possibility, I dunno, but its possible.

Yep, anything is possible. Especially if his mate (or has a mate) supports another team!!

Just finished looking at the video of his press conference and the feeling I got is he's still just a boy!!! His bewildered facial expressions say that even he doesn't understand what made him do it!

Geez, the expectations we place on all these kids as AFL footballers is incredible. They may have the physical skills to do what we demand of them, but their brains are still physiologically immature and so, psychologically they are also still so immature. Makes me feel a bit sad really.

this

there are some bloody self-righteous buggers here looking for sainthood!

Absolutely!!!

These are the words of a Monash Uni expert in gambling psychology:
Monash University gambling expert has slammed the AFL as hypocritical after it banned star Pie Jaidyn Stephenson for gambling.

Dr Charles Livingstone, the universities head of gambling and social determinants, said Stephenson, suspended for 22 weeks (12 suspended) for betting on three Collingwood games, was being made a scapegoat by the AFL

“The code is clear, of course, and his actions are quite inexplicable, but nonetheless, the AFL demonstrates a degree of hypocrisy in this area," Dr Livingstone said.

“Multiple clubs and the AFL itself make money out of sponsorship by gambling companies, or by operating gambling venues.

"If they really care about the integrity of the sport, the wellbeing of the fans (and the players), the AFL can show leadership by getting out of its sponsorship deal with BetEasy, and doing what it can to reduce gambling advertising around grounds and on broadcasts.”

Think that this is true: AFL is hitting Jaidyn really hard to "set an example", ie to prove to the parasitic gambling syndicates with which it shares such a profitable relationship, that it will stop at nothing to protect their profits. The AFL is scapegoating a young, still mentally immature young man to guarantee to TabCorp and Sportsbet etc that the AFL is a reliable partner who will not tolerate the slightest perception of "corruption". But as this academic points out, this is a fraud. It is the AFL itself which stands indicted for the worst kind of corruption: profiteering from the young athletes who play the game at so many levels, and placing them in a situation where the temptation to do what Jaidyn has done must be so strong for many that it is inevitable that a few will break. As PP points out, at Jaidyn/s age the brain is not fully developed, and the drive for peer acceptance still affects decision making. Under such circumstances, the AFL's intimate relations with the gambling industry is little short of morally criminal.
At least he will be able to return for finals, but the ban on VFL as well is particularly vicious, and unwarranted. Would he be able to return for finals after no VFL and no AFL for 10 weeks? I'd say we would probably risk it, given his prodigious talent. But no certainty,
As for destroying our GF aspirations... I don't think it does. It is a severe blow, but we have Jamie Elliott and Josh Daicos to step up. Maybe even John Noble can step up in the next few weeks... alot is possible.
I am deeply disappointed that this has happened, and that we've lost Stepho for the rest of the H&A season, but like Cam says, I think that this might fire us up. Go Pies.

Woods wrote: He's not a little boy that needs mothering. He's an adult that has cheated and got caught. Deal with it.

Please Woods - do some research on brain development and the social pressures that operate on young people. At 20 years of age, he is not an adult per se!!!!

Also, perhaps you need reminding that he didn't rob a bank or kill anyone!!

Had this happened last year, it would have cost him the rising star award.

Woods wrote:

think positive wrote:

Woods wrote:The reality is that he's a confessed cheat. Dress it up any way you like it, that's what he is.

your dressed as a collingwood "supporter" but i aint seeing it

The fact is that Stephenson tried to cheat the rules by placing his bets on friends' accounts.

That makes him a cheat.

You are doing Collingwood damage by trying to pretend that he is not a cheat. You and others need to put your misplaced sympathy aside and deal with reality. If you can. There is no club loyalty in dressing a crook up as a saint.

He's not a little boy that needs mothering. He's an adult that has cheated and got caught. Deal with it.

taking drugs is cheating

taking a dive is cheating

purposely taking out another player is cheating

if he had played shit to make a buck, thats cheating

you cant play above yourself to make a buck, he was trying to make a quick buck, or being one of the boys, no way in hell he was cheating.

Im not mothering him, im simply understanding him from a mothers point of view, and reacting as i would to something like this from my kids. my first post said i was devastated. it also said i would stand by him, but he has to earn that too.

so you were a choir boy yeah??

Magpietothemax wrote:These are the words of a Monash Uni expert in gambling psychology:
Monash University gambling expert has slammed the AFL as hypocritical after it banned star Pie Jaidyn Stephenson for gambling.

Dr Charles Livingstone, the universities head of gambling and social determinants, said Stephenson, suspended for 22 weeks (12 suspended) for betting on three Collingwood games, was being made a scapegoat by the AFL

“The code is clear, of course, and his actions are quite inexplicable, but nonetheless, the AFL demonstrates a degree of hypocrisy in this area," Dr Livingstone said.

“Multiple clubs and the AFL itself make money out of sponsorship by gambling companies, or by operating gambling venues.

"If they really care about the integrity of the sport, the wellbeing of the fans (and the players), the AFL can show leadership by getting out of its sponsorship deal with BetEasy, and doing what it can to reduce gambling advertising around grounds and on broadcasts.”

Think that this is true: AFL is hitting Jaidyn really hard to "set an example", ie to prove to the parasitic gambling syndicates with which it shares such a profitable relationship, that it will stop at nothing to protect their profits. The AFL is scapegoating a young, still mentally immature young man to guarantee to TabCorp and Sportsbet etc that the AFL is a reliable partner who will not tolerate the slightest perception of "corruption". But as this academic points out, this is a fraud. It is the AFL itself which stands indicted for the worst kind of corruption: profiteering from the young athletes who play the game at so many levels, and placing them in a situation where the temptation to do what Jaidyn has done must be so strong for many that it is inevitable that a few will break. As PP points out, at Jaidyn/s age the brain is not fully developed, and the drive for peer acceptance still affects decision making. Under such circumstances, the AFL's intimate relations with the gambling industry is little short of morally criminal.
At least he will be able to return for finals, but the ban on VFL as well is particularly vicious, and unwarranted. Would he be able to return for finals after no VFL and no AFL for 10 weeks? I'd say we would probably risk it, given his prodigious talent. But no certainty,
As for destroying our GF aspirations... I don't think it does. It is a severe blow, but we have Jamie Elliott and Josh Daicos to step up. Maybe even John Noble can step up in the next few weeks... alot is possible.
I am deeply disappointed that this has happened, and that we've lost Stepho for the rest of the H&A season, but like Cam says, I think that this might fire us up. Go Pies.

Quite simply, an exceptional post!!! Thank you for every single sentence of it MTTM.

Magpietothemax wrote:These are the words of a Monash Uni expert in gambling psychology:
Monash University gambling expert has slammed the AFL as hypocritical after it banned star Pie Jaidyn Stephenson for gambling.

Dr Charles Livingstone, the universities head of gambling and social determinants, said Stephenson, suspended for 22 weeks (12 suspended) for betting on three Collingwood games, was being made a scapegoat by the AFL

“The code is clear, of course, and his actions are quite inexplicable, but nonetheless, the AFL demonstrates a degree of hypocrisy in this area," Dr Livingstone said.

“Multiple clubs and the AFL itself make money out of sponsorship by gambling companies, or by operating gambling venues.

"If they really care about the integrity of the sport, the wellbeing of the fans (and the players), the AFL can show leadership by getting out of its sponsorship deal with BetEasy, and doing what it can to reduce gambling advertising around grounds and on broadcasts.”

Think that this is true: AFL is hitting Jaidyn really hard to "set an example", ie to prove to the parasitic gambling syndicates with which it shares such a profitable relationship, that it will stop at nothing to protect their profits. The AFL is scapegoating a young, still mentally immature young man to guarantee to TabCorp and Sportsbet etc that the AFL is a reliable partner who will not tolerate the slightest perception of "corruption". But as this academic points out, this is a fraud. It is the AFL itself which stands indicted for the worst kind of corruption: profiteering from the young athletes who play the game at so many levels, and placing them in a situation where the temptation to do what Jaidyn has done must be so strong for many that it is inevitable that a few will break. As PP points out, at Jaidyn/s age the brain is not fully developed, and the drive for peer acceptance still affects decision making. Under such circumstances, the AFL's intimate relations with the gambling industry is little short of morally criminal.
At least he will be able to return for finals, but the ban on VFL as well is particularly vicious, and unwarranted. Would he be able to return for finals after no VFL and no AFL for 10 weeks? I'd say we would probably risk it, given his prodigious talent. But no certainty,
As for destroying our GF aspirations... I don't think it does. It is a severe blow, but we have Jamie Elliott and Josh Daicos to step up. Maybe even John Noble can step up in the next few weeks... alot is possible.
I am deeply disappointed that this has happened, and that we've lost Stepho for the rest of the H&A season, but like Cam says, I think that this might fire us up. Go Pies.

stands and applauds

Jeezus, saw the Presser, and yeh, hes a kid, and kids make mistakes, we all do young, when I was his age I used to drive pissed, drunk, after a big session at the old Southside Six Hotel, watching Billy Thorpe, or the Chain, on Saturday arvos. It took a very bad accident at 19, with me going thru the front windscreen, very very lucky, to wake me up, and I changed. We learn from our mistakes, mine nearly killed me. These days players are under so much pressure from social media, twitter, constant surveillance from media. Im not saying Stevo should have got off, but surely, a 5 match ban and heavy fine would have been sufficient, this is like cracking an egg with a sledgehammer.!

Woods wrote:

think positive wrote:

Woods wrote:The reality is that he's a confessed cheat. Dress it up any way you like it, that's what he is.

your dressed as a collingwood "supporter" but i aint seeing it

The fact is that Stephenson tried to cheat the rules by placing his bets on friends' accounts.

That makes him a cheat.

You are doing Collingwood damage by trying to pretend that he is not a cheat. You and others need to put your misplaced sympathy aside and deal with reality. If you can. There is no club loyalty in dressing a crook up as a saint.

He's not a little boy that needs mothering. He's an adult that has cheated and got caught. Deal with it.

This is the "individual responsibility moralising" post. Despite their claims to do so, "individual responsiblity moralisers" have no understanding of reality whatsoever. Clearly, this post was made by a someone who projects their passion for the Black and White onto reality as well. Unfortunately, reality outside of football field is not black and white. The claim that Jaidyn Stephenson "is a crook/cheat" etc is an example of black and white thinking applied to reality, which leads to both an extremely offensive, and absurd , result.

Think positive, making a spelling error is a mistake, misinterpreting a glance as an invitation is a mistake, picking the wrong answer in a quiz is a mistake. Doing something that you know is wrong is not a mistake.
Call it what you like, it's not a mistake.
Stevo knew what he was doing was a breach of the rules.
He knew what he was doing was wrong.
Calling it a mistake gets him off the hook, and undeservedly so.
The punishment's harsh but what he did was deliberate. It was no mistake.

On the level of stupidity I put this on about the same level of stupidity as Jordan De Goey, but less than Sam Murray. When you get incredibly gifted players like Stephenson they sometimes forget that football is a team sport and it's not about them but about the team. If you're betting on the game and it's about who kicks the first goal, or who collects the most kicks, it's definitely not about winning the game of football, which is what happens when you collect in the changing rooms after the game and sing the club song. That's all that matters, not your stats on the field. Maybe at some point he realised what the game of football is about and made the decision to hand himself in, which is a sign of maturity and shows that he's growing into a team orientated player and finally what Buckley is saying to him is finally reaching him. That's a good sign for when he returns to the field in 10 weeks time, because he has unfinished business in the grand final if we make it. One thing is that Stephenson is not a cheat. It's the thrill of winning a bet. What he earns playing football dwarfs anything he could make at Sportsbet.