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What'sinaname wrote:
On Nov 19, Houthi rebels using a helicopter, launched a commando-raid on a Japanese-operated cargo vessel, the MV Galaxy Leader has been held near Yemen's Red Sea port of Hodeida ever since.
So, yeah, continue your bullshit about Houthi's allowing non Israeli ships to pass through unhindered.
The ship was owned by Israeli business interests, reported by both the Guardian and the NYTimes.
The Houthis have killed no one.
Yet the US and UK have attacked one of the poorest nations on the planet because it has acted in accordance with the UN convention against genocide.
The US and the UK are directly responsible for the famine raging in Yemen as a result of their proxy war of intervention carried out by Saudi Arabia since 2015.
The US is directly arming and providing political support to the Israeli regime of fascists who have killed at least 30000 people in Gaza.
Whatsinaname, you're spouting callous internet crap. You don't even know how horrendous what you're saying is because it's an internet football game to you.
No one likes violent religious crazies, but they plainly exist on both sides, only one of which is wealthy enough to wipe the other out even if it doesn't shout 'Death to whoever'. You can't wantonly kill peasants, including children, trapped in an open-air prison with very little choice over how and where they exist, even as members of your government and your own religious nutters openly support mass theft and ethnic cleansing.
As for the Houthis, they're being a pain, but their own peasants, half starved to death, have been the victims of Saudi oppression for years now. And guess which scumbags arm the Saudis? And since when are the Saudis more righteous than Iran and Russia, or is it okay to dive into the filth as allies of the worst regimes in the world?
It's not even a matter of sides or liking or disliking anyone; that's morality for toddlers. It's a matter of minimising harm in the short term and promoting the greater good in the long term. And neither of those things are happening here.
This needs to be de-escalated quick smart, and the onus is on those with the wealth and privilege to do so first. People with wealth, time, education, facility, self-defence capabilities and options have far greater moral responsibility than peasants who can't see beyond their next meal or the piles of bodies in the street. It's not that hard to pick through.
The Houthis are just another Iran supported bynch of fundamentalist nutjobs who want Israel destroyed. They aren't just interrupting ships going to Israel, but disrupting other shipping hence the payback.
Everyone seems to have opinions on what Israel needs to do, how bout the Palestinians and their supporters just come out and say that they support Israel’s right to exist, as an Israeli state and they want to work with Israel and the UN to set up a Palestinian state to live in peace, with proper borders and administration and no more provocation.
That would end the whole mess in days.
Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down.
^Yes, there are nutters. Yes, the IDF needs to be very firm and well-funded. Yes, Israel is ever at existential risk. But the average peasant just absorbs the environment they're trapped in. Our own religious crazies think all kinds of idiocy, and they have education, time, knowledge and options. Culture traps people; you of all people also know humans spout rubbish they don't really believe in the light of day, while their views can flip the second they think their kids will be better off. Most of average Mos are just mouthing nonsense at the point of a gun half buried under rubble, fed images of settler loons shooting children's legs off.
As I keep saying, crazies are everywhere. Look at Israel's settler crackpots and far right; they also want ethnic cleansing and havd no qualms about mass theft. I don't see you wanting them wiped out. Saudi Arabians were given free rein to lead 9/11 and drove up inflation after Covid causing immense economic suffering, but now you're all good with them without as much as an apology.
I actually don't like any crazies on any side, including Islamic crazies, Christian crazies, Zionist extremists, Anglo-American imperialists, far-left extremists, MAGAts, Brexiters, internet big mouths, or any parasitic opportunist that uses them, including the Russian, Saudi and Iranian leaderships. And I most certainly don't trust Anglo-American leadership, and even less with elections looming.
I also want complete security just like Israel including for Israel, including the economic security which comes with global stability. But that doesn't mean I want to kill, starve, torture and maim everyone caught up in whatever nutcase self- and other-destructive ideology. I want to blunt their worst and most destructive impulses in the most minimal and proportionate way possible, and shift them to better options. I don't care if they say stupid or annoying things as long as overall they shift to more productive positions.
Yes, strong measures are often needed. But they are needed (a) in fair, consistent and equal measure as much as humanly possible to keep dangerous extremists from damaging others; (b) in a way that actually improves security not creates even more enemies, hatreds and recruiting PR; (c) in a consistent way that apportions blame fairly, including on our own; and (d) whatever approach, general pogroms, mass theft, mass civilian casualties and suffering are never justified, while anything even hinting at ethnic cleansing is an outright crime.
You're smart enough to grasp that. But are you mature, disciplined and responsible enough to maintain fairness and consistency as best you can? I assume you're not a psychopath, despite your verbal carelessness, but why you buy into a silly tabloid two-sideism as a grown adult is beyond me. There are no 'sides' on a small, interconnected planet, FFS, while bad behaviour is absolutely guaranteed to be contagious and self-reinforcing. It's not ancient history anymore; you just can't trample people without blowback. Instability and the instability of uncertainty are very, very costly, even when a single shot is not fired.
There are only better resolutions, and this taking sides, wanton killing, ratcheting up of tensions, and dialling up of hatreds isn't one of them. Yet here I am repeating the same old Iraq arguments again, as if no one has learned a thing. You know, learning and improving, the capability that sets us apart from dumb animals with small forebrains.
Just to test oneself, go and see One Life, in which Anthony Hopkins masterfully and all-too-realistically depicts the reflections of a proper English hero who resided not far up the road from us in Maidenhead.
All that macho internet talk in the face of pitiful, homeless peasants. Why anyone would want to be brainwashed out of decency by random clueless crazies out in the ether somewhere is beyond me.
pietillidie wrote:Just to test oneself, go and see One Life, in which Anthony Hopkins masterfully and all-too-realistically depicts the reflections of a proper English hero who resided not far up the road from us in Maidenhead.
All that macho internet talk in the face of pitiful, homeless peasants. Why anyone would want to be brainwashed out of decency by random clueless crazies out in the ether somewhere is beyond me.
Let’s assume some of the numbers we are hearing are accurate. 30,000 deaths of which 9-10,000 are Hamas members. Hamas’s base membership is around 30-35,000, so that’s a third of their membership killed with 20,000 civilian deaths. Not terrible considering how Hamas use civilians as effective shields, and does not support the idea that Israel is trying to destroy Palestinians.
This would support Israel’s strategy of trying to eliminate Hamas and all other deaths are an unfortunate consequence of Hamas shielding themselves with civilians.
What'sinaname wrote:
If you don’t want 2000lb bombs, don’t incite war, take hostages and refuse to release them.
Back to square 1. the conflict did not start on Oct 7 2023. Israel has been inciting war against the Palestinian population since the 1940's.
Won't respond further to you, except if necessary to point out a particularly egregious post.
I did say you have to accept the figures as accurate. I doubt the deaths provided by Palestine isn't massively overstated too as it's in their interest to inflate these figures.Nevertheless, it IS a war against a cowardly Hamas who use their people as shields making casualties and inevitability.
Regarding human psychology, you've forgotten about self preservation - don't pick a fight against someone if the result is getting the living shit kicked out of you.
What'sinaname wrote:
If you don’t want 2000lb bombs, don’t incite war, take hostages and refuse to release them.
Back to square 1. the conflict did not start on Oct 7 2023. Israel has been inciting war against the Palestinian population since the 1940's.
Won't respond further to you, except if necessary to point out a particularly egregious post.
It is futile.
Actually, the Palestinian population has been waging war against Israel since it's formation when the Arab states refused the proposed 2 state solution and instead vowed to destroy Israel.
While people talk about how the Palestinian actions toward Israel have been formed by decades of mistreatment, they somehow neglect to consider how Israel's behaviour toward Palestinians have been formed and hardened by decades of hostility. Israel, the only nation to have Olympic athletes targeted for murder by terrorists, during the Olympics.
I don't condone how far Israel is taking this, but ask yourself this question. If Hamas had the military capability that Israel does and the roles were reversed, would they be open to a cease fire?
Every dead body on Mt Everest was once a highly motivated person, so maybe just calm the **** down.
