Nick's Collingwood Bulletin Board

neil wrote:We win and still find things to complain about

Cloke is not Buddy but we need him
WE DO NOT HAVE A REPLACEMENT

I agree we need him, but not at any cost.

The contract negotiations have clearly unsettled him but let's not kid ourselves, he'd be easily in our top 3 most important players. He fires and we usually smash teams.

RudeBoy wrote:

AN_Inkling wrote:I've no doubt he still is a team player.

It's possible the contract negotiations are affecting him to a degree. But really, I'm only keen for him to sign so that everyone else would shut up about it. It's kinda ridiculous where every game is more about whether Cloke's worth x amount of dollars than whether we won or lost.

Cloke's worth the amount of money clubs are willing to offer. That seems to be $1 million. They don't offer that sort of money as a joke guys.

You are wrong inky. Cloke is worth $1 million a year to Fremantle and Melbourne because they are shit clubs with shit players. Given the pay rates we have to pay our A grade players, Cloke is not worth anywhere near that amount. I repeat, he is not worth anywhere near that amount to us. The choice is his. He either accepts a lucrative offer of around $700-750,000 pa from Collingwood and gets to play in a great team with his mates and win Premierships, or else he rejects this offer and accepts more money at a shit club. The longer these protracted negotiations drag on, the clearer it is becoming that he is more motivated by the bigger pay deals he can get elsewhere. That's his choice. Do it now, but don't phuk us around any longer.

That's his worth in the league. I don't expect he's asking that much from Collingwood. How much we end up signing him for is to be decided, but according to Buckley a deal is getting close and negotiations are going well. I simply don't understand why anyone's taking these negotiations so personally. Cloke's not the only player in the league (or at Collingwood) who's not yet signed.

I don't have a problem with players looking to take care of themselves during contract negotiations. In the AFL players are far more loyal than clubs, by and large. If you don't take advantage of a strong situation you will get screwed over.

Now it's just up to the club to decide how much they can afford and for Cloke to decide if he wants to accept it. Simple. This was always going to take time, and I don't see how anyone can claim the "dragging out" is all Cloke's doing. The club had (it seems until recently) held firm on a 4 not 5 year deal. So far, Cloke has not accepted the club's offer and the club have not accepted Cloke's demands.

Cloke's almost certain to stay, and has said all along that was his intention, but the final details of it really don't interest me. It's a financial decision for club and player.

AN_Inkling wrote:

RudeBoy wrote:

AN_Inkling wrote:I've no doubt he still is a team player.

It's possible the contract negotiations are affecting him to a degree. But really, I'm only keen for him to sign so that everyone else would shut up about it. It's kinda ridiculous where every game is more about whether Cloke's worth x amount of dollars than whether we won or lost.

Cloke's worth the amount of money clubs are willing to offer. That seems to be $1 million. They don't offer that sort of money as a joke guys.

You are wrong inky. Cloke is worth $1 million a year to Fremantle and Melbourne because they are shit clubs with shit players. Given the pay rates we have to pay our A grade players, Cloke is not worth anywhere near that amount. I repeat, he is not worth anywhere near that amount to us. The choice is his. He either accepts a lucrative offer of around $700-750,000 pa from Collingwood and gets to play in a great team with his mates and win Premierships, or else he rejects this offer and accepts more money at a shit club. The longer these protracted negotiations drag on, the clearer it is becoming that he is more motivated by the bigger pay deals he can get elsewhere. That's his choice. Do it now, but don't phuk us around any longer.

That's his worth in the league. I don't expect he's asking that much from Collingwood. How much we end up signing him for is to be decided, but according to Buckley a deal is getting close and negotiations are going well. I simply don't understand why anyone's taking these negotiations so personally. Cloke's not the only player in the league (or at Collingwood) who's not yet signed.

I don't have a problem with players looking to take care of themselves during contract negotiations. In the AFL players are far more loyal than clubs, by and large. If you don't take advantage of a strong situation you will get screwed over.

Now it's just up to the club to decide how much they can afford and for Cloke to decide if he wants to accept it. Simple. This was always going to take time, and I don't see how anyone can claim the "dragging out" is all Cloke's doing. The club had (it seems until recently) held firm on a 4 not 5 year deal. So far, Cloke has not accepted the club's offer and the club have not accepted Cloke's demands.

Cloke's almost certain to stay, and has said all along that was his intention, but the final details of it really don't interest me. It's a financial decision for club and player.

The final details may not interest you, but they definitely interest me, and I know for a FACT that some of our current players are not happy having their own contracts squeezed by Cloke's excessive pay demands. When/if the deal is done, there will be those like you who will say "what was all the fuss about". But if we are unable to hold other players then the cost will have been too great. After 6 months of negotiations, blind freddy can see that this is dragging on too long and has the potential to damage our finals campaign.

frankiboy wrote:The contract negotiations have clearly unsettled him but let's not kid ourselves, he'd be easily in our top 3 most important players. He fires and we usually smash teams.

But he hardly Fires

Piesnchess wrote:

Nick - Pie Man wrote:I certainly hope not. We are supposed to be a cut above supporters of other clubs

YOU honestly believe we are Nick.

I believe most of us arent that effen stupid as to think to do that could have any positive effects. Its positively "Spainish" to be doing that! (with apologies to any real Spaniards on this board).

AN_Inkling wrote:I've no doubt he still is a team player.

It's possible the contract negotiations are affecting him to a degree. But really, I'm only keen for him to sign so that everyone else would shut up about it. It's kinda ridiculous where every game is more about whether Cloke's worth x amount of dollars than whether we won or lost.

Cloke's worth the amount of money clubs are willing to offer. That seems to be $1 million. They don't offer that sort of money as a joke guys.

Come on its all the evil Clokes' fault that such money is on the table, Its got nothing to do with market value, free agency, and the new world of football. Reading some of the antics of the intellects in these Cloke threads is quite entertaining but it does make me gladder than ever that the majority of Nicksters have nothing at all to do with the administration of our club.

Cloke is so important to the team structure and the form dip he's going through at the moment is a worry and a lot of it will have to do with the contract situation. People are forgetting however that he's an influential and easily one of our most important players when playing well. Who remembers last year when he kicked 6 against Melbourne and then another 6 against Sydney which thankfully got us over the line by 6 points.

If Cloke can fire, Collingwood will be extremely hard to stop, but we need this contact situation to end sooner rather than later so it is more likely to occur.

Heres my 2c worth. Cloke is blue chip. You build "around " blue chip. Simply put...he's a keeper...will stay, and rightly so. it will be done and we will live with it. end of.

RudeBoy wrote:

AN_Inkling wrote:I've no doubt he still is a team player.

It's possible the contract negotiations are affecting him to a degree. But really, I'm only keen for him to sign so that everyone else would shut up about it. It's kinda ridiculous where every game is more about whether Cloke's worth x amount of dollars than whether we won or lost.

Cloke's worth the amount of money clubs are willing to offer. That seems to be $1 million. They don't offer that sort of money as a joke guys.

You are wrong inky. Cloke is worth $1 million a year to Fremantle and Melbourne because they are shit clubs with shit players. Given the pay rates we have to pay our A grade players, Cloke is not worth anywhere near that amount. I repeat, he is not worth anywhere near that amount to us. The choice is his. He either accepts a lucrative offer of around $700-750,000 pa from Collingwood and gets to play in a great team with his mates and win Premierships, or else he rejects this offer and accepts more money at a shit club. The longer these protracted negotiations drag on, the clearer it is becoming that he is more motivated by the bigger pay deals he can get elsewhere. That's his choice. Do it now, but don't phuk us around any longer.

Rudeboy has summed it up perfectly.

I'm just a bit shocked that old closet communist AN_Inkling is supporting the concept of market values.

He has been worked out. Play an athletic backman on him and he can't shake them off. Cloke is too one dimensional.

Also, his goal kicking is terrible, and he's starting to get the Fevola/Richardson sulks about him.

jack_spain wrote:

RudeBoy wrote:

AN_Inkling wrote:I've no doubt he still is a team player.

It's possible the contract negotiations are affecting him to a degree. But really, I'm only keen for him to sign so that everyone else would shut up about it. It's kinda ridiculous where every game is more about whether Cloke's worth x amount of dollars than whether we won or lost.

Cloke's worth the amount of money clubs are willing to offer. That seems to be $1 million. They don't offer that sort of money as a joke guys.

You are wrong inky. Cloke is worth $1 million a year to Fremantle and Melbourne because they are shit clubs with shit players. Given the pay rates we have to pay our A grade players, Cloke is not worth anywhere near that amount. I repeat, he is not worth anywhere near that amount to us. The choice is his. He either accepts a lucrative offer of around $700-750,000 pa from Collingwood and gets to play in a great team with his mates and win Premierships, or else he rejects this offer and accepts more money at a shit club. The longer these protracted negotiations drag on, the clearer it is becoming that he is more motivated by the bigger pay deals he can get elsewhere. That's his choice. Do it now, but don't phuk us around any longer.

Rudeboy has summed it up perfectly.

I'm just a bit shocked that old closet communist AN_Inkling is supporting the concept of market values.

If someone had said that on the first post, would not need any more! So true.

Didn't even see his input last night. Didn't realize he was on the ground until 1/4 time.

Piesnchess wrote:

Nick - Pie Man wrote:I certainly hope not. We are supposed to be a cut above supporters of other clubs

YOU honestly believe we are Nick.

I honestly believe we are supposed to be

Forget the spin from the club, he is just going through the motions. No intensity to his game. He is playing like a guy who is leaving the club, not staying.

We can't go into a finals series with him playing in that mindset. Need to have plan B in place. No Commitment then he must be in the two's.

jack_spain wrote:

RudeBoy wrote:

AN_Inkling wrote:I've no doubt he still is a team player.

It's possible the contract negotiations are affecting him to a degree. But really, I'm only keen for him to sign so that everyone else would shut up about it. It's kinda ridiculous where every game is more about whether Cloke's worth x amount of dollars than whether we won or lost.

Cloke's worth the amount of money clubs are willing to offer. That seems to be $1 million. They don't offer that sort of money as a joke guys.

You are wrong inky. Cloke is worth $1 million a year to Fremantle and Melbourne because they are shit clubs with shit players. Given the pay rates we have to pay our A grade players, Cloke is not worth anywhere near that amount. I repeat, he is not worth anywhere near that amount to us. The choice is his. He either accepts a lucrative offer of around $700-750,000 pa from Collingwood and gets to play in a great team with his mates and win Premierships, or else he rejects this offer and accepts more money at a shit club. The longer these protracted negotiations drag on, the clearer it is becoming that he is more motivated by the bigger pay deals he can get elsewhere. That's his choice. Do it now, but don't phuk us around any longer.

Rudeboy has summed it up perfectly.

I'm just a bit shocked that old closet communist AN_Inkling is supporting the concept of market values.

So there is a chance he's going to Hawthorn then?