Sack Pendles (and De Goey!)

Mugwump · Post by **Mugwump** » Tue Feb 20, 2018 10:32 am

^ I have no problem with a reasonable "no drinking" clause in the contract of a high paid elite athlete, for the reasons you describe. I have a problem with policing their traffic behaviour unless it has actually put them in jail because it is independent of the work they do. And it is the traffic offence that has everyone up in arms, not the boozing per se. Focus on the latter and I might be with you.

K · Post by K » Tue Feb 20, 2018 11:33 am

Post by **David** » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:28 pm

Post by **think positive** » Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:57 pm

unless he showed up hung over to training

K · Post by K » Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:22 pm

David wrote:
K wrote:...
On an individual level, there is no way that does not affect his training and performance. ... And is he fully recovered from the operation? If not, it undermined the recovery as well. I don't know why so many think otherwise. That's not how athletic performance works.
Having a few drinks at a pub undermines recovery from hip surgery? Let's not be silly about this. ...

Define "a few". By definition (exceeding 0.08 ) he was (more than) binge drinking.

I believe most of the research has focussed on pre-operative binge drinking. Perhaps we can suggest to the club that they add to JDG's homework the task of researching the literature on the effects of post-operative binge drinking.

Post by **David** » Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:41 pm

HAL · Post by **HAL** » Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:45 pm

Thanks for the info.

K · Post by K » Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:46 pm

Wokko · Post by **Wokko** » Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:32 am

Speaking as an athlete in a full contact sport; alcohol has a significant detrimental impact on recovery time.

My anecdotal evidence aside, there's also science.

http://www.massey.ac.nz/massey/about-ma ... 7B4699B08E

HAL · Post by **HAL** » Wed Feb 21, 2018 8:33 am

Do year old males have anecdotal evidence there's science?

K · Post by K » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:09 am

Wokko wrote:...
http://www.massey.ac.nz/massey/about-ma ... 7B4699B08E

Thanks for the link. (Now we can give Jordy a starting place for his extra homework, David...)

Post by **David** » Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:46 am

Post by **stui magpie** » Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:06 am

To be clear, he was fined $10k and volunteered to pay the other $10k to charity.

From what I've read, it was also his (or his agent) idea for the indefinite ban until he wins back respect and to ban himself from alcohol for the season.

Post by **David** » Wed Feb 21, 2018 11:55 am

An ingenious method, getting people to come up with their own punishments! (Not necessarily a bad idea in theory...)

K · Post by K » Wed Feb 21, 2018 12:45 pm

I think it may be a good idea for teachers (at all levels) to use (for certain misdemeanours).

Returning to JDG, I'm pretty sure his manager came up with that and other things, in an attempt to head off a worse outcome for his client. I imagine JDG just sat there like a potato.

On other professions...

John Sneddon wrote:In the prominent case of Ziems v. Prothonotary of the Supreme Court of New South Wales a barrister was struck off the role of legal practitioners after being convicted of manslaughter and sentenced to two years imprisonment for killing another person in a car accident whilst intoxicated.
Mr Ziems appealed his disbarment to the High Court of Australia which held that his manslaughter conviction had "neither connexion with nor significance for any professional functions as a barrister and therefore did not involve conduct that made the barrister unfit to be a member of his profession".

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