Bushfires and fuel reduction

[stui magpie]

[David]

^ That’s from the link Morrigu posted in the post above mine.

[Wokko]

Isn’t it just common sense to want to do all we practically can to prevent this sort of thing happening? But nah, we’ll just blame it on climate change, do less preventative burning, ban people from clearing ground fuel or trees from their own land then blame climate 'deniers' whilst simultaneously downplaying all the arsonists and ciggie butt tossing morons involved… because it’s a “climate emergency”.

[roar]

Isn’t it just common sense to want to do all we practically can to prevent this sort of thing happening?

Yes, it is, and doesn't that include minimising the climate affecting polution?

[Wokko]

That will have exactly 0 impact on bushfires, it's an irrelevancy.

Pollution and the environment are important, but even if you shut down everything, and I mean everything and turned us into an agrarian utopia with no industry or power generation at all there'd still be bushfires, huge ones every ten years or so, like there has been for tens of thousands of years.

Climate has changed in that time, been hotter, cooler, wetter drier and the humans who lived here, without industry, power or anything beyond stone age technology still had bushfires to deal with. Not sure why modern man thinks he's so special that he can control the climate, even if he's had an impact over the last 150 years or so of industrialization.

[PyreneesPie]

Not sure why modern man thinks he's so special that he can control the climate, even if he's had an impact over the last 150 years or so of industrialization.

You don't see the lack of logic in this statement Wokko?

Industrialization has had a massive effect on not only the climate, but all of nature, including us, full stop. I find it hard to understand why we wouldn't want to reverse some of that damage, when we have the technology and resources to do so. The greedy, self-absorption of mankind could still proceed as per usual if desired, while the rest of the planet could benefit in a myriad of ways.

[stui magpie]

Went for a drive down the lower river road this arvo, checked out the eastern fringe of the Barmah forest. Very pleased to see signs it's all been burnt since i last went down there in March. Some long grass on the roadside in patches but bugger all in the way of ground fuel.

Can't vouch for the forest proper but what I saw that part is safe.

[Wokko]

Not sure why modern man thinks he's so special that he can control the climate, even if he's had an impact over the last 150 years or so of industrialization.

You don't see the lack of logic in this statement Wokko?

Industrialization has had a massive effect on not only the climate, but all of nature, including us, full stop. I find it hard to understand why we wouldn't want to reverse some of that damage, when we have the technology and resources to do so. The greedy, self-absorption of mankind could still proceed as per usual if desired, while the rest of the planet could benefit in a myriad of ways.

My point is IF humans have caused some climate change (all the models have been wrong so far, most accurate is a Russian one that shows the least warming of them all) then that warming has been caused by the entire world industrializing in the late 18th Century until now with China and India doing it now. For humans to think that taking "Climate Action" now will have any impact whatsoever on this warming or on bushfires is arrogant at BEST.

Our action should be adapting to, not trying to control any changes in climate which might I add would be happening over 100s to 1000s of years.

[David]

[Wonka]

Our action should be adapting to, not trying to control any changes in climate which might I add would be happening over 100s to 1000s of years.

I went out today and I could barely breathe and my lungs are killing me. How do you want me to adapt to breathing crap all day?

[Pi]

Our action should be adapting to, not trying to control any changes in climate which might I add would be happening over 100s to 1000s of years.

I went out today and I could barely breathe and my lungs are killing me. How do you want me to adapt to breathing crap all day?

Now you know what its like to do a shift of blacking out on the back of a fire truck (not really; but it gives you a basic idea), at least your eyes aren't sore and you wont stink of it weeks after because it goes into the pores of your skin. Think of it as a shared experience.

[PyreneesPie]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-11/ ... e/11855022

[David]

^ Here’s a key passage from that article, for those who may have been sucked in by Pajama Watson’s rant:

This week, a NSW Police media release revealed 24 people had been charged over deliberately-lit bushfires this season.

However, the majority of suspected arson relates to small grass fires and rubbish bins set alight, which have inflicted negligible damage and burnt a tiny area compared with fires sparked by lightning.

How about all of those people arrested in Queensland?

Queensland Police said there had been 1,068 reported bushfires between September and January 8, of which 114 of which had been deliberately lit.

While number doesn’t equal scope, I trust we’re all capable of doing basic maths here.

[Wonka]

Now you know what its like to do a shift of blacking out on the back of a fire truck (not really; but it gives you a basic idea), at least your eyes aren't sore and you wont stink of it weeks after because it goes into the pores of your skin.

My eyes were the first to be sore.

[Wokko]

Yeah, much more likely that political policy of Liberal parties caused the bush fires and giving money to the UN would stop them.



No climate change policy would've prevented, mitigated or minimized these fires. Better prevention measures may have. That's it.