Should athletes have a say in corporate sponsorship?

[David]

A happy ending for all: Netball Australia recoups the same amount of funding it lost with a new $15m sponsorship deal, and Gina gets to take her money to the dwindling number of places where it's wanted:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-31/ ... /101596136

[stui magpie]

Great result taxpayer funded sponsorship.

Ginas money is still very welcome in the Olympic sports she sponsors.

[Jezza]

What a waste of money.

Fits the bill of Andrews though. The man loves spending other people's money.

[What'sinaname]

A happy ending for all: Netball Australia recoups the same amount of funding it lost with a new $15m sponsorship deal, and Gina gets to take her money to the dwindling number of places where it's wanted:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-10-31/ ... /101596136

Yeah and Netball Australia have been put over the barrel and screwed by the Vic Government.

They got $15m from Gina with the only string attached being having Hancock on the jersey.

Now they get $15m and have to play the 23 GF in Melbourne, at least 1 international in Melbourne over five years, and have their high performance centre here to.

So Netball Australia can't grow the game nationally like it wants to........

so yeah, happy ending!!

[pietillidie]

[stui magpie]

Netball is a great participation sport, bush footy clubs almost all have a netball club associated with them, the Toc one is now a single club.

It's great fun to play and more physically taxing than it looks, I played a social mixed game once, got fouled for trying to take a speccie over the opposition

It's just not a great spectator sport, people don't watch it on TV so it can't get any money from media rights.

Dan's stunt in sponsoring them was pure electioneering. There's no altruistic motive there toward the sport, and no financial reward for the state (unlike the Grand Prix) so it's all pure election timing, spending taxpayers money to try to tap into votes from those who didn't like Gina pulling out.

I'm not even sure where the money will go into grass roots Netball anyway when I think about it. Local clubs build their own courts, buy their own uniforms and balls, the only thing Netball Australia does is provide some rules and maybe some coaching for a handful of high potential prospects.

[eddiesmith]

It won’t, it’ll pay off their debt and that’s about it.

Definitely an ejection stunt given they negotiated a sponsorship deal in a few days and announced on the last day they could do it before caretaker begins.

[think positive]

Netball is a great participation sport, bush footy clubs almost all have a netball club associated with them, the Toc one is now a single club.

It's great fun to play and more physically taxing than it looks, I played a social mixed game once, got fouled for trying to take a speccie over the opposition

It's just not a great spectator sport, people don't watch it on TV so it can't get any money from media rights.

Dan's stunt in sponsoring them was pure electioneering. There's no altruistic motive there toward the sport, and no financial reward for the state (unlike the Grand Prix) so it's all pure election timing, spending taxpayers money to try to tap into votes from those who didn't like Gina pulling out.

I'm not even sure where the money will go into grass roots Netball anyway when I think about it. Local clubs build their own courts, buy their own uniforms and balls, the only thing Netball Australia does is provide some rules and maybe some coaching for a handful of high potential prospects.

Spot on Stu

I played for years to A grade both ladies and mixed, coached for 15 years and even umpired a bit, I go to some of juniors games now but I never watch it on telly ever! The community club games are far better!

Sponsorship from our tax dollars! Already happening! Another feather in Victoria’s sporting cap! I agree Jezza what a waste! If I was given a GF ticket I’d give it away! Gods truth!

[pietillidie]

[watt price tully]

Netball is a great participation sport, bush footy clubs almost all have a netball club associated with them, the Toc one is now a single club.

It's great fun to play and more physically taxing than it looks, I played a social mixed game once, got fouled for trying to take a speccie over the opposition

It's just not a great spectator sport, people don't watch it on TV so it can't get any money from media rights.

Dan's stunt in sponsoring them was pure electioneering. There's no altruistic motive there toward the sport, and no financial reward for the state (unlike the Grand Prix) so it's all pure election timing, spending taxpayers money to try to tap into votes from those who didn't like Gina pulling out.

I'm not even sure where the money will go into grass roots Netball anyway when I think about it. Local clubs build their own courts, buy their own uniforms and balls, the only thing Netball Australia does is provide some rules and maybe some coaching for a handful of high potential prospects.

Some of what you note is right but there’s no financial reward is off the mark. For a paltry $15 million Victoria gets advertising internationally and domestically. Gina created a vacuum and politically let alone financially it’s a brilliant move. If you don’t believe me check out the apologetic reaction by News Limited, Sky News, The Murdoch press and other extreme right wing crazies.

In one fell swoop Andrews was handed a gift. Gina comes out as petty and spiteful which she was and Andrews gets to come across as a saviour of not just Netball but women’s sport and gets the kudos for bringing sport, recognition and the dollars that flow from that to Victoria. Whoever thought of that idea will get a Christmas bonus. Really smart.

[watt price tully]

[stui magpie]

Some of what you note is right but there’s no financial reward is off the mark. For a paltry $15 million Victoria gets advertising internationally and domestically. Gina created a vacuum and politically let alone financially it’s a brilliant move. If you don’t believe me check out the apologetic reaction by News Limited, Sky News, The Murdoch press and other extreme right wing crazies.

In one fell swoop Andrews was handed a gift. Gina comes out as petty and spiteful which she was and Andrews gets to come across as a saviour of not just Netball but women’s sport and gets the kudos for bringing sport, recognition and the dollars that flow from that to Victoria. Whoever thought of that idea will get a Christmas bonus. Really smart.

Advertising to the massive TV audience that watches Netball, which doesn't exist as previously discussed.

Political stunt, absolutely.
Did it spin the right wing media into a tizzy, absolutely
Is is actually genuine value for money in marketing Victoria? Nope, Nada, Nyet.

[David]

But plenty of free publicity in the newspapers, so maybe that helps balance it out somewhat.

I get that this is a transparently and narrowly political decision and I guess you can argue that that makes it illegitimate. But I'm with PTID here: supporting and encouraging sports participation (particularly for something commonly played like netball rather than some niche Olympic category that hardly anyone competes in and only gets noticed once every four years) is already a societal good on a number of levels, so it makes good sense for it to get what is essentially public funding rather than depending on Faustian pacts with harmful industries. It's a misconception that that kind of funding has to be justified purely by the logic of the market. Basically, it's in everyone's interest that the sport thrives, and if this sponsorship boosts Victorian tourism in the process then it will already be a mutually beneficial arrangement regardless of whether every dollar is accounted for.

For me it's an entirely satisfactory outcome, and I get the feeling it's really only those who so badly wanted to see the right get a culture-war win (and for "woke" athletes to be punished) who will be pissed off by it.

[stui magpie]

Oh this just gets better and better. 2021 tax data was released.

Hancock paid $1.145b in tax and Roy Hill paid $1.943b in income tax. Collectively, that's $3.1b up from $1.3b in the prior year.

Total income tax grew by $11b in 2021 and mining represented $7b of that.

Interesting of the list, those 2 also have the smallest gap between total income and taxable income

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/fede ... 5bv6e.html

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And @David, yes the Vic gov sponsorship is an open transparent election stunt, that doesn't make it illegitimate by any stretch, but any impact on the grass roots would be negligible either way. People would still play at local clubs, the impact would be the elite level.

[David]