Chinese imperialism and future Australian sovereignty

[pietillidie]

So Dr Tedros is a weasel.... I'll pass that on

“I do not believe that this assessment was extensive enough,” he wrote. “This requires further investigation, potentially with additional missions involving specialist experts, which I am ready to deploy.”


https://www.breakingnews.ie/world/who-c ... 04258.html

But how does that support your conspiracy theory except on the very same basis as explained, namely an avoidance of definition and quantification. You won't give us content; you won't quantify it; and you won't demonstrate your reasoning from it. How has that equation magically changed? You've merely graduated from weasel phrase to red herring.

[David]

<Observations about various posters' supposed personal failings deleted. Let's all try to stay on topic and play the ball, please. Thanks, David for BBMods.>

[pietillidie]

^Fair enough. I actually think you were the hardest done by here by a fair margin when you were deemed to be 'acting as an apologist for China'.

Is there anyone electable in Australian public life who can hold complex ideas in tension as Gareth Evans does? The sorry conclusion is there isn't because the electorate itself is imbecilic and wants to reduce everything to primitive impulse, hence anyone with an ounce of maturity and experience navigating high-stakes complexity is unelectable.

It's a policy and planning doom loop, for now at least.

[stui magpie]

Beijing has fired a warning shot at Australia, saying it should prepare to fend off Chinese missiles as tensions flare between the two nations.

The threat follows Scott Morrison saying it would be “foolish” not to appreciate the potential risk of military conflict with China over Taiwan.

Hu Xijin, editor of Chinese mouthpiece the Global Times, took to Twitter on Friday to begin the shocking intimidation.

“Preparing for war? Then build an antimissile system!” he tweeted.

“I believe once Australian troops come to Taiwan Strait to combat against the People’s Liberation Army, there is a high probability that Chinese missiles will fly toward military bases and key relevant facilities on Australian soil in retaliation.”

China isn't preparing for war?

https://www.news.com.au/world/asia/glob ... 99a8e4114e

[pietillidie]

^Huh? Did you read the tweet and see the article below his text? He's plainly responding to Australian idiocy with his own brand of idiocy. You should offer the bloke dual citizenship and a leadership job for meeting the same embarrassing standards of loser stupidity and impulsiveness as Glib politicians.

"[So you are] preparing for war? ...once Australian troops come to Taiwan Strait to combat against the PLA..."

And what did you expect if "Australian troops come to Taiwan Strait to combat against the PLA"? A hamper of goodies?

As Gareth Evans noted, Taiwan is a much trickier matter because China has always and ever been clear on the matter.

Why you are doing this to yourself and others is beyond me. What next? An Asiexit referendum?

And "Defence Minisiter Peter Dutton". Goodness me. Is that like "Minister for Science and Technology Sophie Mirabella"? Honestly, it's a nation run by utter morons. The bloke is a dangerously ignorant rock ape, let alone someone you might want hanging around a defence portfolio. *Cringe*

[stui magpie]

^

Why do you think I'm doing anything to myself?

The one doing all the frothing at the mouth is you.

[pietillidie]

^You're being too easily provoked for someone so smart. You might have the control to go Catholic but the mob doesn't, so why risk encouraging them? This is not small beans; just a few unfortunate incidents and you have something very regrettable. I for one don't want to wear yet more chaos and cost for the reckless mob.

[stui magpie]

I don't know why you think I'm being provoked, or upset or whatever. If you're trying to respond to me, don't waste your time, I'm not interested.

I don't want war, I also don't want us having to suck up to an authoritarian bully. It's pretty clear to me the 3D chess game they're playing and there's a lot smarter people than either of us who can see it to. Far from being upset about it, I'm perfectly calm and rational.

So save the pithy epithets and disparaging monologues for someone who gives a f%ck

[pietillidie]

^But that doesn't explain why you wilfully misinterpreted a tweet in the full knowledge it will only incite nutters to wreck things. Or perhaps you have; perhaps you really just don't give an eff and I am barking up the wrong tree after all.

[stui magpie]

^

Your tree is 3 blocks east.

[Pi]

Much of what you hear out of the CCP is posturing for its domestic audience; especially with Taiwan.
There are two miscalculations here; one is the US thought that China would liberalise with economic success much like Japan; China thought that Taiwan would want to be part of the glorious Chinese century with the CCP as head office due to its 'success'.

What Taiwan has is a modern fairly progressive government with a female prime minister and the mainland is a total sausage fest.

The notion that every one has to buckle under and prepare for inevitable Chinese hegemony is also a bit out of date. Chinas reputation has taken a huge dive in every country over the last few years; the more they lash out the more wary everyone gets.

Australia should be taking a another serous look at the project iron boomerang. The basic idea is to link the iron ore on the west coast and metallurgical coal mines from Queensland and have steel mills on both sides of the country via a rail link and infrastructure.

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6160272198001

http://globalfarmer.com.au/2020/06/proj ... boomerang/


Ten years ago this sort of proposal used to get laughed at (ABC 2011)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-05-16/ ... ed/2693402

The world has changed....

This sort of project would make Australia a lot more independent in terms of trade. Rather than digging up dirt, shipping it off to countries with no industrial labour laws and no environmental regulations.

[stui magpie]

That would be some smart thinking, therefore unlikely to happen.

[pietillidie]

The notion that every one has to buckle under and prepare for inevitable Chinese hegemony is also a bit out of date.

It's also a hopeless straw man, because it only exists in the minds of the most deluded Chinese nationalists and ignorant non-Chinese fist wavers.

As argued further above, China is actually the entity which is hemmed in by a far greater combined power, much of which is on its doorstep. So, you're greatly mischaracterising reality by even suggesting 'Chinese hegemony' is the subject of interest here.

What people are really preparing for is multipolarity and the end of absolute Anglo-American-Western hegemony. This does not imply Chinese hegemony, but merely what it says on the tin.

This loss of absolute control is what pasty fist wavers across the world are struggling to cope with. In their tiny brains they think not being able to push people around at whim, and not getting what they want in everything at command, and having to take as much as they give, and having to deal with big-mouthed opposing politicians and nationalists just as reckless and arrogant as themselves, somehow means complete oppression, loss of face, and collapse of identity. It's a projection on the world of how they view and treat others, and it scares them to think others might gain the power to treat them in the same fashion.

As with all cases of extreme power abuse, the need to give and take is something the supremely dominant struggle with when times change, if their fragile egos can cope at all with the 'affront' of not being fawned over as superior humans.

Chinas reputation has taken a huge dive in every country over the last few years; the more they lash out the more wary everyone gets.

Which would matter a lot more if two lost wars, two grotesque and cringeworthy failed Republican administrations, a completely farcical, infantile tweeting embarrassment, and a clown on a unicycle leading an retreat from his own wealthy, successful and advanced region, hadn't sent Anglo-American reputation to the bottom of the Mariana Trench.

Add to that Australia's laughable and indeed frightening lack of political talent, policy by Facebook hate vote, reactionary bigotry, self-entitledness, and two-minute planning horizon, and China's PR problems start looking very differently through the eyes of billions of other people across the world.

You're telling yourself comforting stories to avoid the disconcerting reality that the Anglosphere now has to take a few hits, hold its tongue every now and then, break bread with competitors as equals, work with others as valued and valuable humans, and can no longer get what it wants on demand like a breast-feeding infant.

If pitiful North Korea can bring an entire region and indeed the superpower to heel by virtue of a store of rusty old short-range missiles, rest assured China doesn't need straw man hegemony to change the world as you know it. The challenge is to deal with the coming multipolar reality, and to find a mutually beneficial path forward while maintaining a firm stance as part of a strong international agreement that nudges China in a less authoritarian direction. And to genuinely lead by example, not hide behind children's stories of a supposed moral grandeur that skips much ugly, disgraceful history, plenty of which dates to the past two decades alone.

The current fist waving and denial is just more reckless, unserious time wasting of the sort we've endured like dim-witted fools for two decades now. It continues to put us all at great risk of severe instability and economic loss in the best scenarios, and total annihilation in the worst.

[Pi]

My main point was how Australia could move on from its current trade reliance on one country and maintain its independence through a series of long term projects. The future of Australian sovereignty was in the thread title......

so i'm just going ignore your usual tropes.
like this one

"Add to that Australia's laughable and indeed frightening lack of political talent, policy by Facebook hate vote, hate vote, reactionary bigotry, self-entitledness, and two-minute planning horizon" .

meaningless and inaccurate. Paul Keating is not coming out of retirement so just move on.

or this one

This loss of absolute control is what pasty fist wavers across the world are struggling to cope with..

once again meaningless or perhaps your referring to skin colour of alleged fist wavers ....why not just fist wavers?



oh dear...the evil Anglos-sphere again....pasty and fist waving presumably

You're telling yourself comforting stories to avoid the disconcerting reality that the Anglosphere now has to take a few hits, hold its tongue every now and then, not hide behind children's stories of a supposed moral grandeur that skips much ugly, disgraceful history, plenty of which dates to the past two decades alone. .

So... we must not question China or Xi who must not be blamed and buckle under......yeah; the rest of the world is not buying it, more importantly the rest of the Asia pacific region isn't buying it either. Vietnam, the Philippines and Taiwan all of which have openly stated they are likely to defend their autonomy.

Really......there is a person on planet earth who actually believes this?

If pitiful North Korea can bring an entire region and indeed the superpower to heel by virtue of a store of rusty old short-range missiles , rest assured China doesn't need straw man hegemony to change the world as you know it. .

lol, quaking in my boots, er... get me new underwear.. In what world has North Korea bought a super power to 'heel' and the entire region ? Including China?

Has the Korean Peninsula unified with the Dear leader in firm control and I didn't hear about it?

As for rusty old missiles I can only conclude you have been allowed to inspect them. Fairly sure the dear leader demands they sparkle and shine....


in the words of the barely cognizant .....c'mon man.

[Pies4shaw]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-16/ ... /100142112

Looks like the Evil Empire is planning to exercise cultural hegemony over the entire Solar System.

Thoughts?