Nick's Collingwood Bulletin Board

Dave The Man wrote:I am not as hard on Marsh as you. That Skill and Athleticism you hardly see and I back our Development to get the best out of him.

I agree with Langdon. Not a Big Fan

Not being hard on him, rather trying to explain the most likely reason why he went undrafted until 77. I'm just not going to carry on like we've snared Lance Franklin or something here.

Anyway, good luck to him all the same. If he comes on, it's another one for Hine.

Intresting I see in his Highlights, When he goes for marks he taps the ball more than try to mark it. Then he uses his Speed to Retrieve the Ball.

I think he might need some work on his marking and not just tapping it and relying on his Speed all the time.

Reminds me a Little Bit of Thomas with his Run and Carry with his Speed

Its the head versus the heart thing. No one really wants to see him fail ( we hardly know the guy and he is a Collingwood man now), but he is unproven with a lot of deficiencies yet has scary potential.

Hine has set the bar high for drafting dark horses but the natural reaction is to not set the expectations too high otherwise you could be in for a big letdown.

Not really a dark horse here. Was talked up as a possible top ten draft pick before the carnival, so presumably didn't have the greatest of carnivals.
He has heaps of potential to build on, after all, you can't make a silk purse out of a pig's ear.... ( and i also wanted to see if my picture worked!)

from the West Australian, Nov 20
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Key forward Jonathon Marsh is one of the most intriguing recent draft prospects.

Hailing from Margaret River, the grandson of East Fremantle legend Ray Sorrell stands at 192cm and has unnatural pace for a player his size.

But despite starring as a forward for WA this season, there are questions on whether he is tall enough to play the position at the elite level.

And if he can't play forward, is he smart enough to play in the midfield?

The fear of the unknown is likely to see Marsh slide down the draft order when recruiters gather on the Gold Coast for tomorrow's national draft, but with a highlight reel to rival those of Lance Franklin and Jack Darling, clubs may be kicking themselves if they're not brave enough to punt on the electrifying young prospect.

Fremantle are considering selecting the fleet-footed big man at pick No.17, but at this stage it is more likely he would land in the second round of the draft, somewhere between picks 21 and 35.

Since when is 192cm not tall enough to play as a key position forward?

Honestly it's become tiresome bordering on hilarious that players continue to be pigeon holed because of the lack of a centimetre or three.

Get out a ruler and see for yourself what all the fuss is about.

Oh and for the record Lockett, Dunstall, Lloyd and Ablett amongst others were all 192cm and below.

Talent is talent and if he's good enough then his height wont be an issue.

You don't need an extra 5cm height when you're fast enough to put 10m between yourself and your opponent within seconds.

swoop42 wrote:Since when is 192cm not tall enough to play as a key position forward?

Honestly it's become tiresome bordering on hilarious that players continue to be pigeon holed because of the lack of a centimetre or three.

Get out a ruler and see for yourself what all the fuss is about.

Oh and for the record Lockett, Dunstall, Lloyd and Ablett amongst others were all 192cm and below.

Talent is talent and if he's good enough then his height wont be an issue.

Jarryd Blair says you're on the money. Reports from the Westpac centre suggests he has submitted an application to play CHF

^I said centimetres not feet.

I'm expecting great things from Bacchus.

He'll be our X Factor extraordinaire.

swoop42 wrote:Since when is 192cm not tall enough to play as a key position forward?

Honestly it's become tiresome bordering on hilarious that players continue to be pigeon holed because of the lack of a centimetre or three.

Get out a ruler and see for yourself what all the fuss is about.

Oh and for the record Lockett, Dunstall, Lloyd and Ablett amongst others were all 192cm and below.

Talent is talent and if he's good enough then his height wont be an issue.

And John Nicholls played ruck at 189cm and Polly Farmer at 191.

Good luck doing that now.

swoop42 wrote:Since when is 192cm not tall enough to play as a key position forward?

Honestly it's become tiresome bordering on hilarious that players continue to be pigeon holed because of the lack of a centimetre or three.

Get out a ruler and see for yourself what all the fuss is about.

Oh and for the record Lockett, Dunstall, Lloyd and Ablett amongst others were all 192cm and below.

Talent is talent and if he's good enough then his height wont be an issue.

Exactly, tell Dermie he wasn't tall enough to be one of the best CHF of all time.

It's all well and good citing examples of players excelling in their positions at what is now regarded as under height, but the fact is that on average, players in all positions are taller than they were 20 years ago.
A special type of player can excel as a forward regardless of height (Fev for example), but your average tall forward will struggle a bit giving away those extra cm's.

Height isn't the be all and end all, but it sure as shit helps when you're a KPF.

Stupied wrote:It's all well and good citing examples of players excelling in their positions at what is now regarded as under height, but the fact is that on average, players in all positions are taller than they were 20 years ago.
A special type of player can excel as a forward regardless of height (Fev for example), but your average tall forward will struggle a bit giving away those extra cm's.

Height isn't the be all and end all, but it sure as shit helps when you're a KPF.

Bingo.

Brereton was a 186cm CHF. Nowdays he wouldn't get drafted. 186 cm is a medium midfielder or flanker.

Royce hart was 185cm. Same height as Swanny.

KP backs are getting taller and maintaining agility with the increasing height. You can get away with being a pure leading forward at 192cm or under as long as you aren't the key focus but a 3rd tall.( See Darling or Gunston) When teams have quick KP backs who are around 200cm tall (Keeffe is 203cm) then munchkins are outgunned.